1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 It's not a timer. It's just a little clock. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Anyway, good evening. My name is Tony. I'm an alcoholic. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Thanks you so much for asking me to be here. Finally, we put this together. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 And Bill, is Bill our 10-minute speaker? 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Tom. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Tom, I'm sorry. That was a great lead. 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 What stuck out to me was when you were talking about cocaine. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 And I was talking about sponsoring you today on the phone. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 You had a cocaine problem, as did I. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,000 But when I was new and I would hear in the meetings, you know, I did a lot of dry goods. 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 And I thought, dry goods? 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:40,000 I imagine, you know, Don Wayne Western and the General Store and Bolts of Gingham, 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 you know, a sign that said dry goods. 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,000 It was probably months later that I realized, oh, they're talking about cocaine. 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,000 So this is great. I'm really glad to be here. I really am. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,000 I love Alcoholics Anonymous more than anything. 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Anything and everything that I have, it's the first time in my life that I allowed anything to do that. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 I drank every single day for 20 years, every day. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 And I also, you know, use a lot of everything. 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,000 But it was alcohol that was my number one go-to substance. 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 It was the thing that almost killed me. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 And I have serious alcoholism. 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,000 And I am an alcoholic. 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:21,000 And I had my last drink on Sunday, May 27th of 2001 at 3.5 p.m. 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,000 And I remember that distinctly because sitting on the couch in my parents' house, 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 while they were sleeping upstairs, staring at a television that was turned off, 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,000 in a half-gallon room temperature absolute vodka in my right hand, 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,000 deciding, making the conscious decision that I was going to drink myself to death. 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 And I saw that. I saw the specter of death in front of me. 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,000 As clearly as I'm looking at all of you now, I saw it in the black television screen. 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 I said, this is it. I'm going to die. 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Now, so I've been sober, so 24 years, three months, three weeks, and six days, right? 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 And I say that because I'm very specific about my sobriety and my sobriety rate. 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 I'm not one of these, I'm going to have this amount of time. 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 I'm coming up on this amount of time. 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,000 I have exactly that amount of time. 37 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,000 And I learned that from my first sponsor when I had 29 days. 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:14,000 And I said, I'm going to take a 30-day chip tonight at Radford because I won't be here tomorrow. 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,000 And these people all know me and I met them and said, "Oh, no, no, no. You don't have to." 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 And that always stuck with me. 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,000 And I believe permanently it's the most valuable, cherished thing in my life. 42 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,000 It's my sobriety that I never tried to get sober. 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 I knew all about Alcoholics Anonymous. 44 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:37,000 I used to ride my bike drunk down Fountain Avenue in Hollywood with a pint of vodka in my hand 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,000 because I was too drunk to walk and drive, but I somehow managed to get on my bike. 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,000 And I would ride my bike past A&A meetings and I knew exactly what was going on. 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Exactly. I knew all about Alcoholics Anonymous. 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,000 I'd seen the movies. 49 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,000 My parents, who were not alcoholics, had friends who weren't alcoholics at all. 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 There's a couple of them, which I'll get to in a second. 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 So I knew all about it. 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,000 But I kept thinking that if I could just keep drinking, my life would have to get better. 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,000 If I could just get you this decade, just get you this decade. 54 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Because my life had been a rollercoaster since I got out of college. 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 So I thought, well, it's just going to be ups and downs. 56 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 I'm going to have this, I'm going to have that, I'm not, I'm not. 57 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,000 And that was all okay. 58 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,000 As long as I was getting high and I'm acting out in my other inventions, 59 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:29,000 namely food and sex and money, power, property, prestige, I was fine. 60 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 I was good to go and I didn't see any need for that. 61 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000 And so the idea of getting sober was completely foreign to me. 62 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:42,000 So I drank for the 20 years in the last nine and a half to 10 years and seriously alcoholic. 63 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 And the last five years were a living nightmare as I watched everything go away. 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 I drank away two huge careers, two huge careers. 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,000 One in the music business, from which I earned seven gold records. 66 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,000 And one in television, which I earned two Emmy nominations. 67 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,000 And I drank and I drank and I drank and I drank. 68 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Nothing went away. 69 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 I drank away in marriage. 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,000 And eventually I drank away my place to live. 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 When I became homeless, I had nowhere to go. 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,000 And I was dating this girl who I had known on and off in my life since I was 21. 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,000 And we'd always had this sort of on again, off again thing. 74 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 And she said, well, you can move in here with me. 75 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:22,000 And we had a properly codependent relationship, a nice, healthy, firm codependent relationship. 76 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:27,000 And the alternative was to move in with my parents in whose house I was drinking like a schoolgirl. 77 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 And they were beginning to fail. 78 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 My father was beginning to fail. 79 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:36,000 And so I was spending time with them and drinking and then with her. 80 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,000 And then when I lost my place to live, I destroyed my apartment and did the alcoholic neglect. 81 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Did the alcoholic neglect. 82 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Something happened. 83 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 The thing broke. 84 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 It was my fault. 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,000 And it flooded my apartment and destroyed the apartment below. 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:56,000 And it took all my money, all my savings to settle out of court and left me with nothing except my car. 87 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 And a watch. 88 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:03,000 People say, like all the time I say, as long as you have a watch, you haven't lost everything. 89 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,000 So I moved in with her and I kept drinking. 90 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 And then I decided by the time I really wanted to get sober, I couldn't. 91 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,000 I was in the grip of the disease so much and so fully that I could not stop drinking. 92 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,000 And like I say, I drank every day, but now I really ramped it up. 93 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,000 And the last three or four years, I was working in television, so I time off and stuff. 94 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:32,000 And what I would do is I would drink all day and all night and I'd go to sleep and then I drank myself to sleep. 95 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,000 And then I would get up at 5.55 a.m. 96 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,000 I would actually set my alarm if I could do it. 97 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,000 And I'd stagger down to Ralph's when the registers would turn over at 6 a.m. to sell alcohol. 98 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,000 And I would buy my pint of vodka and two bottles of wine. 99 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 White wine. 100 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 A nice chablis. 101 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 That was a nice summer wine. 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Sometimes a Sauvignon Blanc, something like that. 103 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,000 And because I didn't want to seem like I was an alcoholic, I would, of course, buy something else. 104 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 So when I checked out at the counter, I would seem respectable. 105 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 So I would buy something like capers. 106 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Visine. 107 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Visine and capers and a bagel, you know, because I'm not an alcoholic. 108 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:14,000 As a matter of fact, I remember the first amends I made, the first amends I made was to a cashier at the Ralph's on Fountain and La Brea, 109 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,000 who I screamed at at the top of my lungs because she wouldn't sell me my alcohol. 110 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,000 I said, "It's 6 a.m." She said, "Sir, I'm sorry. The registers are on a timer. It's 557." 111 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,000 And I said, "I'm going on a camping trip and I've got to have this for, you know, what we do." 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,000 I just made up stuff all the time. 113 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,000 And I went back and made a mess to her when I first did my first part of my night step. 114 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 And she was still there. 115 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,000 And so I was sitting there and I was drinking myself to death. 116 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,000 And like I say, I could not get a day sober, ever. 117 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 I just couldn't even get a single day. 118 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:53,000 And like I say, I did not cry because, quite frankly, I thought I was not good enough for it. 119 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,000 I thought it was way up here because I knew it worked. 120 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,000 I knew it worked. I had nothing but the highest respect and awe for it. 121 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 And I didn't think I was smart enough or good enough or worthy enough. 122 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 And I was slothful and I was lazy and I didn't know what it was. 123 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,000 I didn't know there was a book. I didn't know there were steps. 124 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,000 I knew people who met at meetings and they said, "I'm my first name, alcoholic. I knew that much." 125 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,000 And my parents had a friend, a guy, his name was Jack Bailey. 126 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,000 And he had been a very big announcer in Los Angeles. 127 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 He was on a show called Queen for a Day. 128 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,000 And he, I remember, I was nine years old and my parents had a dinner party and they invited Jack and his wife. 129 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,000 And he was the only one not drinking alcohol. 130 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 And my parents were, they liked to drink. 131 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 They were moderately heavy drinkers, but they were not alcoholics. 132 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 I'm the only alcoholic in my family. 133 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,000 There's not a family disease in my family. Sorry. 134 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,000 And I said to my mother and my father after, I said, "How come Jack wasn't drinking?" 135 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Because I had my first martini at nine. I was mixing martinis at nine. 136 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,000 I loved gin as a boy. Can you imagine? 137 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,000 And I was known for being able to mix them and drink them in the mountains. 138 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 And my father told me this story about Jack. 139 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:09,000 That he had woken up on the beach in Hawaii in Honolulu in his suit and in his stage makeup from taping his television show with the water lapping at his face, 140 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,000 not knowing how he had gotten, that he had then joined Alcoholics Anonymous. 141 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 I still had no idea. I was, you know, pretty little. 142 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,000 And it turned out that he was a major part of L.A.A. 143 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:25,000 He was part of the Cecil Hotel group downtown that started A.A. in Los Angeles. 144 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:31,000 And the beginning of why we read chapter five is when they first did that at the Cecil Hotel. 145 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,000 And so I knew all about it. So I'm drinking myself to death. 146 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,000 I keep returning to this because it's the most vivid part of my story. 147 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Seeing death, wanting to die and something happened. 148 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:47,000 I cannot tell you what it was, but I somehow put down that bottle, got my ass off the couch. 149 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,000 I went to the phone and it was at 3.45 p.m. 150 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 That's why I know the time of my last drink. 151 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,000 And I picked up the phone and I called the only person I knew in A.A. 152 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,000 who was a woman married to my best friend, a normie, who had worked for me on several projects. 153 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 And he and I were really close friends. 154 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 She, however, couldn't stand me and didn't want me in her house because of my drinking. 155 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 She had 15 years sober at the time. 156 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,000 And I would go over to their house and she would go in the other room. 157 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 This went on for like five or six years. 158 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 And I would say to him, "I don't think Jeannie likes me." 159 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 He said, "No, she doesn't." 160 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,000 "But I like you and, you know, she doesn't like the drinking and all that." 161 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 But I knew she was in A.A. 162 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 And he answered the phone and I said, "I've got to talk to Jeannie." 163 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 He thought I was kidding. 164 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000 He said, "Yeah, right." 165 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000 I said, "No, please." 166 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 I said, "Okay." 167 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 And he handed her the phone and she said, "Hi, what's going on?" 168 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 I said, "You have to help me." 169 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 I can't stop her. 170 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000 And she said three words that I always say to newcomers today. 171 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,000 "Do you want to go to a meeting?" 172 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 "Will you go to a meeting?" 173 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,000 "Will you go to a meeting now?" 174 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 "And do you want to be?" 175 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 So that came like that. 176 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 She said, "Will you go to a meeting?" 177 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 I said, "Yes." 178 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,000 She said, "Will you go to a meeting now in an hour?" 179 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 "Yes." 180 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,000 And she took me to Radford Hall with five hours of surviving. 181 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:59,000 And I went into Radford Hall, shaking, crying, sweating, too scared to raise my hand as a newcomer. 182 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,000 And I sat with her and I was like, "This is someone who didn't like me." 183 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,000 But this is someone who I knew and was very open about her survival. 184 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 So she was the classic example of that creed. 185 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 You know, anytime anyone reaches out for help, I want to hand it. 186 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 They always to be there and for that I am responsible. 187 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 And she was living that. 188 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,000 I'd later come to realize how important that is myself. 189 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,000 And then I got through the night with the help of a phone call to another friend of mine who had gotten sober. 190 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Finally, I found somebody else that I knew had gotten sober. 191 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,000 He got me on the phone with a doctor who walked me through the night. 192 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,000 My mother gave me, she had some Valium. 193 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 She'd barely, almost never talk. 194 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,000 And I got through the night and the next day they rushed me to a hospital. 195 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,000 We brought them to a medical center in Culver City on Washington Boulevard. 196 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,000 And I had a blood pressure of 200 over 130. 197 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,000 And they said, "You're starting to go under seizure." 198 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 And I was having doo-teens. 199 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,000 And they said, "You have alcohol poisoning and we've got to get you surveyed right away." 200 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 And it was a great program. It was called the Exodus Program. 201 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 It was on the top floor. 202 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 And it saved my life. 203 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:10,000 And so when I awoke the next day and I started to go to group and I realized for the first time in over 20 years I had two days sober. 204 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 I couldn't believe that. I was astonished. 205 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,000 I was astonished doing the intake with my counselor at the time. 206 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Astonished that I had ended up doing this. 207 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Sitting here allowing myself to turn my will and my lives over to the care of something that I didn't understand quite. 208 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000 But I knew something had happened. 209 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,000 I had had a spiritual experience. 210 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 That's the only way I can define it. 211 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 I had had a spiritual experience and the miracle had happened. 212 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 The miracle something unexpected. 213 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Because that's what a miracle is. 214 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000 It's something that's unexpected. 215 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 And that was my miracle. 216 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 And it stayed with me. 217 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,000 I've never had the reason or the need to go out on it. 218 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:48,000 So the rest of my sobriety has been a practice and a joyful pretty much existence, you know, like that. 219 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,000 But I knew that I'd been given this gift. 220 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 I knew something had happened. 221 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000 I knew that the obsession had been with me. 222 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000 And I began to understand what was going on. 223 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:02,000 And when I got out of that hospital nine days later and I went back to my girlfriend who had cleaned the house of alcohol. 224 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Because they said, you know, if she doesn't do that, you're going to really have to go into sobering living. 225 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And I didn't want to do that. 226 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,000 And she was a good, like I said, a good healthy codependent. 227 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000 And she was all on board. 228 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,000 She didn't really care about life. 229 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,000 She wasn't quite clear on my going into treatment and so forth. 230 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 She just wanted me to pay attention to her, you know. 231 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 And she was great in so many ways. 232 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 But that's not why I appeared in life. 233 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,000 And I began to be turned on, introduced to, and invited into Alcoholics Anonymous. 234 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 And I began to go to meetings every day. 235 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,000 And I realized that I was loving this immediately, immediately. 236 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:43,000 I became obedient to my sponsor about working the steps, obedient about going to a meeting every day, obedient about calling him. 237 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:49,000 And because I had had this spiritual experience, I was able to understand the rest of the program. 238 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Now, like I say, I'm not an intellectual, you know, I'm not like that. 239 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:01,000 I never wanted to and I don't want to know this program beyond my ability to grasp. 240 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,000 That's what I always have to watch out for. 241 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,000 And I don't do that, you know. 242 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,000 So when I got into the book and I got into the steps, I began to get into service. 243 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 He'd say, you're going to take a commitment, great. 244 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,000 You're going to go to the 630 Palisades meeting and that great AM. 245 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 And everything I was told to do, I did. 246 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 And everything I was told to do and that I did, I enjoy. 247 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 I did nothing reluctantly. I never argued. I never quibbled about it. 248 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 I wasn't trying to wiggle my way out of it. 249 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 I didn't have my eye on the door like I always did my whole life. 250 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Or as my father used to say, "I'm full of the banana peel." 251 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000 And I began getting into this. 252 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:41,000 And because I, again, had had that spiritual experience, I was raised in a non-observant Jewish household. 253 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,000 So I wasn't burdened with any religious stuff at all. 254 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:53,000 My parents, we did used to celebrate the four major Jewish holidays. We celebrated Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Passover, and the Oscars. 255 00:13:53,000 --> 00:14:04,000 And so what I realized, in that miracle, in that spiritual experience of this power greater than myself that had lifted this from me, I had done my full surrender. 256 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 It's the only surrender I can honestly tell you I've done in my program. 257 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,000 The rest of my program, from that moment on, I don't surrender anymore. I just continually let go. 258 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,000 And as I began to understand in those first one, two, three years, up to five years maybe, 259 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:26,000 and I began to understand completely and fully the message and the complete truth that there was a solution, that I didn't have to live this way anymore. 260 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Then the understanding of the program of Alcoholics Anonymous and the 12 Steps was replaced by a continual experience of Alcoholics Anonymous. 261 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,000 That's what I always wish the newcomer. 262 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,000 I wish them the ability to stay long enough to have the experience. 263 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 And the experience is different than understanding it. 264 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Because I know plenty of people who say, "I go through the book line by line, word by word." 265 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,000 I say, "You do? Why do you have to do that all the time?" 266 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 I mean, I do it with how it pertains to the steps. 267 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,000 I think it's crucial because that's where the solution is. 268 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 That's where the sobriety is. That's where it is for me. That's where I go. 269 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,000 That's the treasure map. That leads me to the treasure. 270 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:13,000 But I have to allow myself continually the 24 years, the months, three weeks, and six years, the experience. 271 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,000 The experience is something I participate in. That's the difference. 272 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,000 I participate. I participate fully in life and in the present. 273 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:28,000 And so I found something, and fortunately I feel very fortunate that I wasn't really raised in a serious religious household, 274 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:36,000 but I've sponsored many people who have, and I try to explain to them that what I found in AA is, 275 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:44,000 with my limited knowledge of Judaism and other religions, is that AA magically allows me a place in the universe that I never had before. 276 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:52,000 A place that is comforting and exciting, that is unifying, that rejects the divisive, self-centered nature of what I've heard about organized religions. 277 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:58,000 And so by doing that, I was able to go through these steps and fully look at myself, which wasn't that hard, quite frankly, 278 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:05,000 because my defects of character, those patterns of behavior that didn't work for me were very, very vivid and very, very clear. 279 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:13,000 I did not have a problem. Although when I had two months and my sponsor said, "Time to do your fourth step," and I said, "Yeah, what do you mean?" 280 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,000 He said, "Well, I want you to write this out and the cons and the this." 281 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:23,000 I said, "Can't we just have a little chat, like me at the coffee bean? I'll have a non-fat latte and you can have a..." 282 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,000 He said, "Well, we could, but you probably drink." And that's all I had to do to close out of my voice. 283 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:33,000 And I did it without fear. I really did. I really came to it without fear. 284 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:44,000 I came to it with curiosity and adventurousness and the ability to work each step and at the end of each step be able to say to him and to myself, "Well, now what?" 285 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,000 And that's how I like to do the steps. Well, now what? Now what are we going to do? What are we going to do now? 286 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Okay, well, once I admit my powerlessness, once I do my first step, which has no solution in it that I've ever found, which is the good thing about it, 287 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:08,000 now I get into the solution and I work the remaining 11 steps. And through that, somehow, magically, my thinking changes and I have that wonderful shift they talk about. 288 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:18,000 And that's why experience, the word experience, which appears more than 50 times in the big book, mostly centered around many times spiritual experience that we must have. 289 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:25,000 The experience, no matter how far down the scale we have gone, we'll see how our experience can help others. There's nothing so true. 290 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Nothing ensures our sobriety, but practical experience has shown in helping others and can help us with that. 291 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,000 So once I was willing to participate, I've never had to do that. I've never had to go back. 292 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:45,000 I've never had to return to the old thinking and the old behavior and the old conditioning and the old programming. I haven't. 293 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:54,000 And when I almost went out 10 years and 10 months of sobriety because I became a caregiver for my parents and I did that the first 13 years of my sobriety until my mother passed. 294 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:00,000 And I lived with them. It was my classic living amends. It's the best thing I've ever. It was a glorious time. 295 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:08,000 It was years without taking care of them because I was an aggravating, destructive, expensive, dysfunctional child. 296 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,000 We caused nothing but problems in the family. And I went from that to being running interference. 297 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,000 And they both slipped away and they both died in my arms. My mother at 99 and my dad at 93. 298 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:29,000 And I got to experience, again, there's that word, by participating in life, but moreover, participating and understanding the experience of the present. 299 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Something I never could. I could never honor the moment. I could never let go of no longer and not yet. 300 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,000 I was always in between. I was always straddling those things. I was always just waiting for the next great thing. 301 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:47,000 I was always impatient. I was always restless and irritable and discontinued. I was always disturbed. 302 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:58,000 And today I'm not. Today I've gone from a guy who used to see how much drugs and alcohol you could put in his system to a guy who wants to see how undisturbed he's going to be and how calm he's going to be and how he's going to live with it. 303 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,000 With the lack of suffering. I've not suffered a single bit of my sobriety. Not real suffering. 304 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:11,000 I've had some difficulties. I have chronic condition since I was a child that just has begun to kind of crop up a little bit. 305 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:20,000 And I've had many, a couple of experiences, more than two actually, where I was forced to be hospitalized, writhing in agony for five hours on an ER gurney. 306 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:27,000 And never once did I think, oh, I need something or I want something. All I kept saying is, hmm, what can I make of this? How can I remain cured? 307 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:33,000 How can I turn this around and prevent that suffering? And that's kind of what how I live today. 308 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:42,000 I get curious. I wonder what's going to happen. I kind of wonder how am I going to flip this so that I can enjoy where it's because it's ultimately the only choice I have is that. 309 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,000 And so by doing that and by living inside these 12 steps, which I do, by the way, I don't isolate. 310 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:58,000 I don't do maintenance on 10, 11 or 12. I keep all 12 right here all the time inside me. The awareness of them is never, never too far. 311 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:05,000 And so two years and 10 months when I was watching my father fade away in a hospital room and being told by the doctors he was going to be permanently different. 312 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,000 And he was going to require even more care than he did require the first year and a half I took care of him. 313 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:16,000 I thought to myself, oh, this is it. Now, at this time, I was going to eight meetings a week at least. I was sponsoring four men. 314 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:22,000 I had five commitments. And yet this was sort of a deal breaker in my mind, my old idea of correct all. 315 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,000 So I went out to my car in the hospital parking lot. The sponsor was in Europe. I couldn't call him. 316 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:32,000 And I picked up the 12 and 12 and began flipping through and then I stopped at step three. 317 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:39,000 I didn't even know what I was doing. I was just flipping through the book. I stopped at step three and I thought, oh, oh, there it is. 318 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:48,000 I forgot that I made the decision to turn my will and my lives into the girl goddess. And I didn't go out and I did not feel, by the way, great relief. 319 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,000 The next day and a half to two years. But I didn't use it. I was able to be of comfort to my mother. 320 00:20:53,000 --> 00:21:01,000 And I've never gotten that close to a relapse since I had another squirrely moment, 13 years of sobriety, but nothing, nothing threatening like that. 321 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Two girls in 10 months, which I remember again because I was willing and that's what I felt living inside. Step three, understanding that I had been restored to sanity. 322 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:23,000 One of my favorite parts of the language of the book is the prefix re re restore, relax, return, reassess, re means go back, return to that. 323 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,000 Right. So I've been restored to sanity, which to me means I've been restored to good judgment. 324 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,000 That's all it means. It's the end of my fantasy world and I've been restored to good judgment. 325 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Now, the rest of it, if I'm able to constantly let go and let go and let go, then I'm always turning it over. 326 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,000 I'm living inside that experience. I'm participating in not taking it back. 327 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,000 I'm participating in not being disturbed or upset or angry. 328 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,000 And when I'm living in that consciousness and that reality, then I can understand that God is real. 329 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:00,000 That's what my higher power is, reality. And God's will for me, except reality. My acceptance, the way things are, is great. 330 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Whether I understand them or not, things are going to be just as they are. 331 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:12,000 And so I've been able to live in not just acceptance, which can sometimes take the form of compliance, like, OK, I'll accept it, but just you wait. 332 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:20,000 You know, to me, what I've been able to do, and this just happened in the last maybe three or four years, is to turn acceptance into something that is perfect. 333 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000 It's perfect. I perfectly accept things and then they become joyful. 334 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:32,000 There's actually a joy that can come from accepting things that I didn't expect, things that I didn't prefer, things that I didn't want. 335 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:42,000 And then I've achieved the ultimate goal, I think, for me, which is emotional survival, because I've been able to give up my selfish expectations, my unreasonable demands and my unnecessary dependencies. 336 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Those three things. Selfish expectation, unreasonable demands, unnecessary dependence. 337 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,000 And when I do that, I'm left with the most wonderful two things of all, clear perception. 338 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,000 That's what I never had when I drank the noodles. That's how I lost everything. 339 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:10,000 I did not perceive it correctly. My visceral gut reactions to things were my mind wasn't clouded by alcohol and drugs or by my selfish desires or my unnecessary cravings. 340 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:16,000 I was lost. So Alcoholics Anonymous ultimately is giving me this clarity of perception, clarity of perception, 341 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,000 which allows me to easily segue into perspective. Perspective is what I do with the perception. 342 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:28,000 It's the importance I give of what I'm perceiving. So I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, oh, well, what am I going to do with that? 343 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,000 What's my assignment here? Whether it's taking somebody to the steps, whether it's reaching out my hand to the newcomer, 344 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:41,000 whether it's sharing it with me, whether it's the next indicated action, first things first, easy does it, live and let live. 345 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:51,000 These wonderful slogans that I live by for the first two years I was sober, sometimes that was all I could do, use these slogans as almost a tranquilizer to not make things any different, 346 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:58,000 but to somehow guide me into a better way of doing things, giving me a better state of mind, giving me that attitude of gratitude. 347 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:05,000 And so if I have that clarity of perception, then I get the greatest thing of all, an accuracy of response, accuracy of response. 348 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:11,000 So I have the clear perception, a mindfulness about the perspective, and then I get to respond. 349 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,000 Actionless action is sometimes the greatest thing I'm able to do. 350 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:22,000 So that's where I am about that. And when I sponsor, what I try to share is I'm asked by guys to be their sponsor. 351 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:28,000 I sponsor a couple of women, too, who have time. But when I get asked and I say all I can do is a point of view. 352 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,000 That's what Alcoholics Anonymous is doing. It's changed my point of view. It hasn't made me smarter. 353 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,000 It hasn't made me lofty. It hasn't made me more academic or more anything like that. 354 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,000 But it's given me a point of view about the world and about the people, places and things in it. 355 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:51,000 That's what it's given me. And it's given me that ability to smile more often than not, to find okayness in nothing in particular, to be grateful. 356 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:57,000 There's so many different things. To realize that when I used to have a guy, he used to save me from you. 357 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,000 One of the first guys I sponsored, he'd say to me, "All I want to do is get my ducks in a row. 358 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:08,000 I said, "There aren't any ducks. There is no row, but maybe we can do other things. Maybe we can do other things." 359 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,000 And that's going to happen slowly, sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, but it generally will. 360 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:18,000 So I'm going to close with something. One of my mentors was a man named Sandy Beach, and I went on Sandy Beach's last retreat. 361 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:25,000 And he used to close his retreats with a small writing from a 13th century Chinese master named Wuhan. 362 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:31,000 He said, "Ten thousand flowers in spring, the moon in awe, the cool breeze and some of the snow in winter. 363 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,000 When the vine isn't cluttered by unnecessary things, this is the best season of your life." 364 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Thanks for letting me share.