Brent's Journey: From Small-Town Shame to AA Fellowship
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Brent's Journey: From Small-Town Shame to AA Fellowship

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Brent reflects on his upbringing in a remote Washington town, his first drink at 17, the shame of his hidden sexuality, and the welcoming, tradition‑rich AA meeting that gave him hope for recovery.

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Well, I'm Brent, I'm an alcoholic.

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- Hi guys.

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- I'm glad to be here, thank you Ben for asking me.

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I was here for the first time about a month ago

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or so with John, and I left the meeting

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as we were driving back to Palm Springs, just in a high.

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I couldn't believe how friendly everybody was.

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And I don't think there was one person

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who didn't recognize me as some not a regular

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at this meeting and came up and shook my hand

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or gave me a hug and welcomed me.

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And I just thought it was amazing

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that that doesn't happen at every meeting.

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And just the idea that everyone was so friendly

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and open arm, yeah, I left here just so excited.

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And when Ben called me and asked if I would come,

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I said, immediately, I said, yes,

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I wanted to come back to this group.

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And it's, as you probably know,

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this group's a little different than most AA groups.

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You know, you have some traditions

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that aren't at every group.

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And I just thought they were great traditions

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when they were explained to me,

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the idea that we have to dress up and show respect.

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I thought, wow, that's cool.

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So anyway, enough of that, I'm glad to be here.

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Okay, we'll start out.

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I had my first drink when I was 17 years old.

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Until that time, I grew up in a really small town

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up by Mount St. Helens in Washington State.

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The town was like 500 people

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and I grew up on a farm 10 miles outside of town.

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So it was a real rural area.

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I would, for a long time, I made up stories

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so I could blame my parents for what went wrong.

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That was just bull because my parents were fine people.

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The only problem I had was

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my father was from the old country.

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He's Finnish and the Finns are very traditional.

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There's only one way to do things and that was his way.

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And that wasn't always the way I wanted to behave.

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And so there was some push-pull and arguments

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and stuff as I was growing up.

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But there was no abuse or anything.

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All of that I made up in my mind

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so I could have an excuse to misbehave.

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But none of my bad behavior came from my family situation.

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It was all invented in myself.

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So when I was 17 years old, I had been a pretty good kid.

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Had swore that I was never gonna drink

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because in our little town, there was a town everything.

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There was a town drunk, there was a town whore,

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there was a town this, yeah.

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And if you got that name, it never went away.

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And so I saw that growing up

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and so I didn't wanna have one of those names.

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So I wanted to be a good kid and I was.

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And so a couple of weeks before graduation,

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my best friend Jimmy and two other friends, Dick and Larry,

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I was like the last one in our group

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that was gonna graduate that hadn't gotten drunk.

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And so they decided it was time for Brent to get drunk.

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So they took me out in Jimmy's 1954 Chevy

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with a bottle of vodka and a six pack of orange crush.

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And we drove out into the hills somewhere

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and they told me you take a swig of the vodka

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and then drink some orange crush

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and they told me that was a screwdriver.

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So that's what I did and sure enough, I got drunk.

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And what was amazing about that was now I had grown up,

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actually my best friend Jimmy,

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his birthday was August 9th, my birthday is August 7th.

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So I had grown up like from birth knowing these kids.

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I mean, our moms, Jim and my mom would have our birthdays

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usually like on the 5th or 6th of August together.

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And the other two friends in the car,

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I had started first grade with.

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So these were people that I had known forever.

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Our parents knew each other,

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our grandparents knew each other.

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But what happened that night was the first time

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I ever felt like I really belong.

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Now these were people I'd known from birth

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but I always felt like an outsider.

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I always felt like I was more where they weren't looking in

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and observing.

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I never felt a part of until that night.

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And I just thought, wow, I gotta do this again.

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Well, I did again and again and again.

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Now I was fortunate enough that right after college

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or right after graduation from high school,

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I went to college and coming from that very small town,

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there were 45 of my graduating class.

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I realized real quick when I got to college

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that I was way behind what the kids from Seattle

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and Tacoma and Spokane, the big cities,

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they had learned all kinds of things

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that we weren't taught in our school.

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And so I realized I was gonna have to study.

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And so my freshman year, that's pretty much all I did.

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I just studied, didn't party, didn't drink,

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just I thought I gotta do this or I'm gonna fuck out.

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Well, for those of you who have gone to college and stuff,

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pretty soon you figure out the system.

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And by the end of my freshman year, I knew the system.

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So I got fairly good grades my freshman year.

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And from then on, I just started sliding

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'cause I figured it out.

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And the summer after my freshman year,

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I got a job in a paper mill.

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And I was one of the only people in that paper mill

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that summer that wasn't a full-time employee.

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They were all, that was their careers, their jobs.

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Well, they were all hearty drinkers and partiers.

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And I started, started with them that summer.

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And by the time I went back to school my sophomore year,

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I loved to party, I loved to drink, and that's what I did.

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And I'm not gonna spend a lot of time here tonight

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on my drunk-a-log or anything.

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But what happened was I came from that small town

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from good people, and I started living a life

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that was full of shame.

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I started doing things that I knew were wrong,

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but if I drank enough, it was okay to do them.

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And that just continued on and on and on.

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Now, if you haven't figured it out by now, I'm gay.

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And yeah, (laughs)

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and so there was, and we're talking,

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I graduated high school in 1963.

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So there was that shame of, you know,

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there was no gay lib there back then.

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You know, if you were gay, you were considered, you know,

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like there was a town queer in our town, you know,

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and I didn't wanna be that.

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But so anyway, there was the shame of that.

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And then add the alcohol and the shame of how I was living,

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lying, cheating, you know, always, always looking

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for the fastest, easiest, softest way,

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never wanting to really put in the work.

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And that led to all kinds of dire consequences,

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as you can imagine.

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Now, I guess the worst things I didn't, you know,

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I didn't serve time in a penitentiary.

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I served two separate nights in the drunk tank.

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That was the closest I ever got

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to really horrible law enforcement consequences.

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But it just kept getting worse and worse.

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And my solution to everything, any problems,

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any illnesses or anything was just to drink more

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and get through it.

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And I was lucky, you know,

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this was back in the late '60s by then.

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I graduated college, I had moved to Chicago

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from that little town and went to graduate school

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and just kept partying.

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And I guess it wasn't so bad that I wasn't,

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I was still able to achieve.

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And by the time I was 27 years old,

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I had like a job I couldn't even have ever dreamed of

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coming from where I came from.

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At 27 years old, I was the human resources director

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of Playboy Enterprises in Chicago.

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Yeah, I'd like to say that, you know.

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It's almost like saying I was star of a film or something.

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But with that job, my office was right next

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to the Playboy Club in Chicago.

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With lunches came free martinis,

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free happy hour after work.

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And I had also been elected at that time,

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the vice president of the Chicago

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Personnel Management Association.

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So everything in town was a free drink, everywhere I went.

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Well, at 27, I got that job.

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And by the time I was 30, I had lost it.

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It was all gone.

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I went from being an executive at Playboy Enterprises

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to being a doorman in a hotel and a busboy in a deli.

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Anything I could do to just keep drinking,

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that was the point.

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Make enough money to be able to go to the bars.

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I wasn't a home isolated drinker.

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I've always been a social person.

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And so I was what back in those days they called a bar fly.

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And I found a bar, I had moved back to Seattle at that point

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from Chicago.

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And there was this bar down in the bad part of town

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that had happy hour.

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It was a tavern, not a bar, that just served beer and wine.

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But they had happy hour from four until six.

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And from four to six, they served 10 cent schooners.

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I get a kick out of, sometimes you go to a meeting

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and when they pass the hat, they'll say,

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remember the price of your last drink,

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throw that in the basket.

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(laughing)

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And I think, okay, here's a dime.

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But anyway, from four to six,

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I could drink beer, 10 cents a glass.

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From six to eight, just down the street from that bar

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was another happy hour that served dollar pitchers.

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So I moved from the 611 that was sitting with the bar

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to the 2024 and drank pitchers.

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And then from eight to 10, I could go to Mr. Larry's

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and drink martinis for the price,

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double martinis for the price of singles.

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Well, this is how I lived for about three years,

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every night, four to six, six to eight, eight to 10.

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And by 10, I was blotted.

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And I figured I could get drunk.

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And I mean really drunk for like six or eight bucks a night.

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Can you imagine that?

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That's what a drink costs now, you know?

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But anyway, so what happened was,

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like I said, I still work

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and I was getting sicker and sicker.

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And I was getting sick and I couldn't drink my way through it

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I'd always been able to get a cold, get a flu,

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whatever, just keep drinking, it'd go away.

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Couldn't do it anymore.

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And finally, some of my friends and coworkers said,

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"Brent, you have to go to a doctor."

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My skin, you could do this

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and layers of skin would fall off.

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My fingernails were growing out like washboards

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and I had a fever that wouldn't go away.

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So finally I did, I went to a doctor,

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I told him my symptoms and he sat there and he says,

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"Well, I don't know what's wrong with you."

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He says, "Sounds like you're either in the advanced stages

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"of syphilis or you've got some rare form of scarlet fever."

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Or he says, "This could be some sort of liver disease."

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He says, "Do you drink?"

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And I said, "Oh, a little."

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And he says, "Well, I thought I'm gonna take some blood tests

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"to find out what's wrong with you."

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And he says, "In case it is something with your liver,

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"don't drink until I get those tests back."

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I said, "Okay, when you getting them tests back?"

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And he says, "Well, it'll take a week."

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He says, "When you leave, make an appointment

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"with my receptionist, you come back in a week."

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I said, "Okay."

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So I left, that was February 14th in Seattle.

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Well, in February in Seattle,

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that rain comes off Puget Sound

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and it has little bits of ice in it

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and it blows directly at you,

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doesn't fall down, it comes at you.

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And if you've got a fever,

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those raindrops just sting like hell.

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And I was walking home and I had a car, didn't work.

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Didn't matter that it didn't work

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'cause my license wasn't current,

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nor could I afford insurance,

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nor were the license plates current.

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So I had a car, big deal.

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But that's how I lived, you could probably identify.

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Anyway, on the way home,

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a little voice somewhere in my head said,

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"You know, you've been out of control for a long time.

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"Maybe now something, time to do something about it."

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Well, by the time I got home, I told myself,

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"Yes, you've got to do something about this."

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So at the time in Seattle,

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there was a publication called the Seattle Gay News.

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And in it, I had seen something about Gay AA.

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So I get home, I called the Seattle Gay Community Center

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and this nice lady answered the phone

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and I said, "Hello, can I have your alcohol division?"

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She said, "What are you talking about?"

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I says, "Well, I saw something in the Seattle Gay News

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"about Gay AA."

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And she goes, "Oh."

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She says, "No, we don't have an alcohol division."

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She says, "But I have some names here of people

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"that belong to Alcoholics Anonymous

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"and they have given us their phone numbers

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"and you can call them and they can help."

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She gave me three phone numbers.

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Well, I called the first one

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and a guy named Robert answered his phone.

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And so I told him where I got the number,

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why I was calling, he says, "Oh, fine, where do you live?"

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I told him, he says, "Okay, I'll be by your house

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"at eight o'clock, there's a meeting at 830,

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"a few blocks from where you live.

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"I'll pick you up, we'll go to a meeting."

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Whoa, okay.

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So I'm thinking, wow, did I make a commitment here?

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Now, I lived in squalor, I didn't.

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So I started trying to clean up my house

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and clean myself up.

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And I'm kind of thinking, 'cause I hadn't had any dates

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or anything like that for a long time,

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that wasn't important, the drinks were important.

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But I'm thinking, ooh, gentleman caller.

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So anyway, comes eight o'clock, I wasn't quite ready yet.

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But anyway, I'll get to that in a minute.

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I opened the door, standing on my porch,

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and I say this with all the love in my heart that I got,

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was the ugliest homosexual I had ever seen in my life.

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So, so much for gentleman caller.

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So anyway, I said, "I'm Brent, hi, Robert."

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I said, "I'm not quite ready yet, make yourself at home."

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And I went in the bathroom to try to get myself together.

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And he says, "Can I get a drink of water?"

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And I go, "Yeah."

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And he goes in the kitchen and he calls out,

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he says, "Is it your birthday?"

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Now, this was February 14th, my birthday is August 2nd.

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And I said, "No, why do you ask?"

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He says, "Well, there's this birthday cake in here."

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Well, I had had half of a birthday cake sitting on my

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kitchen counter from August 2nd till February 14th.

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That just, I bring that, that's how I live, okay?

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So anyway, Robert took me to my first meeting.

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And at that meeting, they start talking about,

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well, oh, I have to bring this up.

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That first meeting was a candlelight meeting

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in the basement of a church.

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And so they, do any of you old enough to remember

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that they used to have those candles that were like

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in red glass bowls with white plastic fishnet around them?

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- Oh yeah.

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- Okay, well, that's the candles they had up

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and down the table and they lit them.

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And I thought, oh, how nice, this is like a cocktail lounge.

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They're trying to make us feel at home.

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And they lit the candles, turned the lights out

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and had the meeting.

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Well, one of the few things I remember hearing

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at that meeting was they said, take a spot.

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You know, they talked about sponsorship and they said,

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make sure it's somebody you're not attracted to.

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Well, there was Robert.

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So there was my first sponsor.

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And they also said, go to meetings, clean house

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and don't drink in between meetings.

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Well, that's funny.

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So anyway, I asked, on the way home,

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I asked Robert to be my sponsor.

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I got home and the next, he said,

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well, I'll pick you up tomorrow.

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I said, yeah, fine, meeting tomorrow.

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Well, he picked me up every day for a week or two.

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Finally, one day I wasn't ready

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and he came in the house.

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And he goes, wow, your place is together.

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What happened?

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And I said, well, they said, go to meetings,

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don't drink in between meetings and clean house.

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So I've been cleaning house.

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And he goes, no, no, that's not it.

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It's nice your house is clean,

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but that's not what they mean.

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Well, anyway, just a note about Robert.

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People would ask me, you know,

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as I'm going to my first meetings, do you have a sponsor?

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And I go, yeah.

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I go, who?

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And I go, Robert.

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And they go, oh, crazy Robert?

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And I go, well, yeah, Robert.

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Well, come to find out, yeah, Robert was crazy.

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But Robert was only 13 months sober at that time.

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And Robert was already doing cold calls.

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He was already doing service.

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He was taking me to meetings every night.

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You know, he might've been crazy,

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but he knew something I didn't know.

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And that was how not to drink one day at a time.

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So I am, I mean, to this day.

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Now that first meeting was February 14th, 1980,

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and I have not had a drink since.

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So I am, you know, I,

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there's no way I can express my gratitude towards Robert

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and those people at that meeting.

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Now so much has happened since then.

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I'm 79 years old.

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I'm going to be 80, or I'm 78.

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I'm going to be 79 August 2nd, next Saturday.

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So I've had a lot of years to fumble around

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in this thing they call sobriety.

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And I've been fortunate enough

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that I got a career back together.

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I got a career that lasted long enough

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that I actually get a little bit,

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teeny little pension check in the mail every month, amazing.

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I found a relationship at a couple of years sober.

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I met a very decent man called Jim.

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And Jim and I had a 21 year relationship.

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He wasn't in the program, but he didn't drink.

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And we had a wonderful relationship.

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The last, Jim got diagnosed with a terminal illness

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and the last three years were pretty rough.

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But because I was sober,

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I was able to handle that one day at a time.

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Have these lights come on and I've not,

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oh, no, you got a light minute.

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Oh, okay.

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You know, I was able to handle that

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like a responsible adult should handle it.

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Before sobriety, I would have just fled.

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I wouldn't have dealt with someone who was dying

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and what comes with that.

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Anyway, so we had a good life.

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At that point, I was living in the Bay Area

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and like I say, got my career back together.

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It was a wonderful life.

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And my home group at that time,

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I'd had the same home group for 14 years.

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And we met on Saturday nights at 8.30.

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And Jim happened to die Saturday afternoon.

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And I called a good friend of mine, John,

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and said, Jim passed away today.

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John came right over.

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And when somebody dies, said, oh, there's a lot of shit

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you gotta go through, you gotta call the coroner

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and the this and the that.

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Anyway, by the time they took Jim's body away,

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it was about 8.50.

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John said to me, what do you wanna do now?

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And I said, let's go to the meeting.

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Now, I was too shook up to share and stuff like that.

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But as the meeting was closing, Linda came over to me.

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She was a regular to me and she says, you okay?

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'Cause I usually shared at meetings.

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And I said, yeah, I said, Jim died today.

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And I walked out.

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Well, the next day, it was like living

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on a little house on the prairie.

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The next day, people were at my door with casseroles,

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with everything, you know, what can we do for you?

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Do you need this?

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Do you need that?

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And I mean, it was the most incredible return of goodwill

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that I ever experienced in my life.

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And I mean, I had seen that before it happened to me

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because I was sober quite a while by then.

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But when it's coming your way,

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you have no idea how it fills your heart.

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It's just unbelievable.

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And all this was with no strings attached.

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And some of it was from people that I didn't really know,

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just enough to say hi or nod at a meeting.

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But there they were at my door asking what they could do.

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I never felt alone.

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I never felt, you know, a lot of people,

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their grief is so dark and so awful.

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That didn't happen to me 'cause everybody rallied around me

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and made life great.

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Well, shortly after that, I moved to New York.

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I'd always wanted to live in New York.

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When Jim was dying, he said, "Go to New York."

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He didn't wanna move to New York.

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"Go to New York."

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Well, I said, "No, I won't."

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Well, I did.

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I ended up, I lived in New York for seven years.

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And it was wonderful.

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But I gotta tell you how this program works.

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I was sharing this with my dinner companions tonight.

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At one point while I was in New York,

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I had bought a condo.

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And when I got there, my homeowners and my taxes

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were around five, 600 a month, which I could afford.

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Well, six, seven years later,

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that had gone to 16, 17, 1800 a month.

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I couldn't afford it anymore.

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I was running out of money.

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I had retired and I had to put it up for sale.

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So I was trying to sell my condo

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because I was running out of money

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and starting to get more worried every day

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because the market was not going up, it was going down.

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Anyway, during this time,

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I had become sponsored to this woman who was 40 years old.

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And at that point, she was 20 years sober.

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She had gotten sober at 20.

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And after she got sober,

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she was diagnosed with extreme epilepsy.

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And during her 20 years of sobriety, before I met her,

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she had had seven brain surgeries

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to try to stop this epilepsy, these seizures.

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And none of it had worked.

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And I'm on the bus going to a meeting that day,

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just beside myself and how I'm gonna go to the meeting

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and share how life's not fair.

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I'm running out of money.

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I can't sell my place.

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Well, I get a call from her.

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She was calling me from the hospital.

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She had had a seizure on the subway

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and they had come and taken her to the hospital.

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And the doctors had told her

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they were gonna take her off of all of her meds

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and keep her in the hospital for a week to watch her seize.

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They wanted to watch her for a week, have seizures,

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so they could figure out what was going wrong

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and what they might be able to do for her.

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Well, let me tell you,

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when you're just worried about some little shit thing,

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like not having any money,

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and somebody calls you and tells you about a real problem,

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that's how this program works.

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All of a sudden, that meant nothing to me anymore.

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And sure enough, the condo sold.

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Not for what I wanted, but it sold.

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That's life.

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And you know, it's been a series over the years

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of events like that happening all the time.

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Your partner dies and the fellowship

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just wraps themselves around you.

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You think you have problems, but if you're doing service,

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those problems disappear

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because there's things more important

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than your own little problems.

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The friendships that I've made in Alcoholics and Honors,

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I mean, I've been sober in Seattle, the Bay Area,

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New York, and now Palm Springs.

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I have friends in all of those places.

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I mean, my life has been so full,

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and I hope, you know, I'm getting kind of old,

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but I hope I can stay strong enough and healthy enough

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to continue to do service because that really is the key.

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There's only one thing that's more important.

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Oh, does that mean, oh, five minutes, okay.

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There's only one thing more important than service,

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and that's the 12 steps.

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You know, because I can't, my first sponsor, Crazy Robert,

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oh, one thing I gotta tell you about Crazy Robert,

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Robert's job, Robert worked from midnight

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to eight in the morning at a porn shop in downtown Seattle.

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Okay, that was his job.

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Well, I had a hard time sleeping when I first got sober,

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so I would call Robert up down at the porn store

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and say, "Robert, I can't sleep."

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He'd say, "Great, grab your big book and come down here.

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"We'll work some steps."

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So I'd go down to this dirty bookstore,

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sit behind the counter with Robert, and we'd do our steps.

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Okay, so anyway, doing the steps,

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the most important part that I got from the stepwork

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was four and five and eight and nine,

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knowing how to keep my own side of the street clean

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because before that, all I wanted to do

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was blame everybody else or blame situations.

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I never wanted to accept responsibility for what was mine.

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Well, that doesn't lead to a successful life.

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You know, like, I blamed my parents for no reason.

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I blamed being gay.

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Well, my older brother's name is Butch, and he is,

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and he's straight, and he was a worse alcoholic than I was.

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He's sober now, by the way,

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but I mean, that being gay didn't make me an alcoholic.

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What made me an alcoholic is how I felt

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when there was alcohol inside of me.

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That's what made me an alcoholic.

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So I learned by doing the steps that I can't blame others.

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Now, I still have that propensity.

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When something, you know, when it hits the fan,

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I still want to go, "Well, who's fault is that?"

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And then when I start thinking about steps

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four and five and eight and nine,

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I realize, "Oh, it's your own pen."

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You know, there's a freedom in that too.

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When you quit blaming others,

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you realize you can do something about it.

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You don't have to wait for others to take care of it.

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You know, so there's a great freedom in that.

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So anyway, there's been other benefits from doing the steps,

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but that's the one that always comes to mind.

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What's my role in it?

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What can I do to fix it?

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'Cause I can't change you or anything else.

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So anyway, yeah, I am an incredibly grateful member

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of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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That used to, didn't that used to really kind of tick you off

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when you came in here and gave up?

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My name is Joe and I'm a grateful alcoholic.

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Heck, are you talking about?

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But now, I mean, I really do live

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in the state of grace, of gratitude,

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'cause I, you know, to begin with, at 79 years old,

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I've lived through two incredible epidemics.

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I lived through the HID, the AIDS epidemic,

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where everybody I got sober with died

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and they died before they were 40.

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I was 34 when I got married, or got sober.

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So I've lived through that.

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Then I lived through this recently,

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which I don't know, is it over?

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Maybe, maybe not.

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But anyway, how grateful can I be that I'm still healthy,

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I'm still making it, and it's because I'm sober

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and I learned to live in almost the right way.

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I still mess up, you know, but I'm really grateful

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and I'm really grateful to be here tonight.

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Thank you.