Tommy's Journey: From Sensitivity to Sobriety
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Tommy's Journey: From Sensitivity to Sobriety

Episode description

Tommy shares a powerful account of his life, detailing a childhood marked by sensitivity, abuse, and early alcohol use. He reflects on how connection with others in Alcoholics Anonymous provided a path to sobriety, mental health, and a profound sense of self-understanding, highlighting the importance of fellowship and faith.

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Well, I don't like it.

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I don't like the room.

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I just don't like it.

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You know what? We like a lot of people.

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We like the people.

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People I've met in Alcoholics Anonymous, not with me,

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and not all like me,

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but I've met people who

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like, who I truly

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love because they've been there

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for me, and without that connection

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with people, I would not

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know what I know about myself, and I would not

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feel sober and clean today.

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I'd be probably dead.

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Or very miserable.

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I'd be sniveling.

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Sniveling.

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I saw that. It was like so many voices in my head.

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I was like, I'm serious.

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Please teach me how to do that.

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It is miraculous.

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I met a public speaker.

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I was really nervous coming here.

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I never left.

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I'm sure it's like

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very professional.

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Thanks a lot.

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My life, prior to coming to

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Alcoholics Anonymous, my life was

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very unmanageable, and

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until it became unbearable,

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it wasn't going to stop.

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The unmanageability, like, the unmanageability

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for me was something that I felt

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throughout my life as a kid.

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You know, very

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hypersensitive, very sensitive.

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I was, I was, I was promoted.

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My mother would say, you're very sensitive.

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But when I came to AA, they promoted

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me to hypersensitive.

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But you do get promoted in there.

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You're a drunk asshole and you become a sober ass.

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But she would say to me, you know, people would say to me, you're very sensitive.

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My mother was very sensitive. Everything kind of

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stopped. Everything kind of broke. I don't know why.

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It's just the way I was. I think it's just the way I was born.

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I think it's probably, you know,

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really, you know, being

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being sober for 27

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years and coming up in 28 years

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and I've learned a few things about myself.

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And I feel like

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I can just start to learn.

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I'm still learning. It'll still be,

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there's no graduation.

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But what I do know is, you know, that

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that sensitivity was there from the very beginning.

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That there was something, I felt

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like there was something not right with me

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before I ever drank. I can't blame it on

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alcohol. But I can tell you that in the center

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of my brain, there was something in my thinking

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that was just a little bit

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different, I think, to normal

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people. And when I asked

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normal people, were you like that? They were like,

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no, you should see somebody.

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Did you lie in bed as a

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kid and think about, like, where do you go when you die?

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They were like, no, I'm thinking about school.

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I'm like, okay.

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Some things happened when I was

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a kid that shouldn't happen to

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kids. A lot of different abuses.

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And my reaction to all of

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that was probably far worse

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than the events themselves. I mean, they happened

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in minutes and hours and months.

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But the

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onslaught for me, the

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reaction for me went on for

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years.

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So my reaction to whatever

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happened is usually far

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greater than the actual event.

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And my sensitivity at the age

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of 10 was

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my perception was

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because of some of these events

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and my alcoholism, it just

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my perception was warped.

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People, places, things.

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And my reaction

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to that was to flight. Was to run.

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Was to get away from you.

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Was to blame you.

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And, you know, if I can get away from here.

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And just very,

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very miserable on the inside.

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I also knew as a young child that I was gay.

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I knew that because I was

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told that. Not in nice terms.

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It wasn't like, well, you're gay. Welcome.

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Like, why are you

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don't do that?

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I spent years, like as a kid, checking,

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checking, watching you and thinking for you.

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You know, I can annihilate you in a second.

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I will see your weakness in a second.

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I can take out the room in a second.

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I walk into a room. I look for the one who's not happy.

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I see that. I sense it.

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It's like a second sense.

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It doesn't serve me well, really.

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But it's been there from the very beginning.

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Got me into a lot of trouble.

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But it also protected me from you.

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And I was kind of wired like that.

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So that was my wiring as a kid.

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And that doesn't really set you up for a good career.

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Unless you want to go to jail.

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Or become an alcoholic.

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So my father died when I was 10.

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My reaction to that was

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I remember leaving the funeral

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and I said that

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I said to myself walking home

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that nobody will ever tell me what to do again.

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Nobody will ever replace him.

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And how humiliated

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that he would die.

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Because I knew that at the end of the summer

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I'd have to go back to school

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and stand up in front of the class

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and tell them what I did for the summer.

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And I was humiliated.

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Because this big guy who used to go away for six weeks

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and work at oil rigs

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and my dad worked

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and then he was gone.

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So I was humiliated.

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I took it very personally.

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And then after that it was off to the races.

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In the west of Ireland you start drinking when you can swallow.

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If you can swallow

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at least when I was growing up.

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And I drank because I was told not to.

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Everything I was told not to do

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you shouldn't do that

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you're not old enough

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I want to do it.

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I want to do it and I'm going to do it.

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There were people who would do it before me

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and I called everybody doing everything

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that they shouldn't be doing

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and then I would usually just join in and do it.

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But the difference between me and them was

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I would take it to the complete extreme

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and if I liked something

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I would keep doing it until I'd abuse it to death.

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People, places, things.

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I would just milk it for everything

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and become completely addicted to it.

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And it takes me away from reality

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so I can't, there's no calm down.

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Including coffee.

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So by the age of 11, 12

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we were drinking barrels of beer

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in the west of Ireland.

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We were just going to the back of the bars.

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I don't like to call for a pizza.

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We went to certain bars that are no longer there.

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We didn't even buy our own beer.

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We were like into one of the bars

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and took one of the beers

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and hit the spot of the drinks.

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And that was it.

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That was it.

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That's all there is to it.

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But again,

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I think it's all about

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having a big supply of glue.

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We lived in a grandmother's house

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and it was 22 minutes away from the house

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with a chicken.

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who needs to go down at eight o'clock in the morning because he sits at the end of the bed

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with an attitude like get up like my mother would be down there in the morning on a washing machine

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that didn't want water and five beds to be stripped and I would go down like why are you

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so happy? I'm just having a drink. That's the only thing I'm saying. But my first drink which was

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which is I was talking about my children. I went to two rooms and people asked me that again

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and I hated it. I had a panic attack. I didn't like it. I did not like the effect but you know

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there was something about the

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there was something about the

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there was something about the

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there was something about me that when I was you know I was such anxiety, stress, fear,

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internal fear about you know irrational fears about death, dying, just something terrible is

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going to happen. I'm going to get fucked out. You know they're going to find out what happened,

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what was done. A lot of a lot of secrets you know. I mean we talked about that says to me your

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secrets keep you sick. What are your secrets? I thought well if they're if they're if they're

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secrets why would I tell you they're not going to be secret. What kind of stupid questions? I'm not

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I'm not telling you my secrets because one I grew up with alcoholics in your you know your for your

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lives. I mean you're going to tell everybody because that's what you do and two they're my

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secrets and I've been sworn never to reveal and I swore and take these to the grave and and I you

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know I went around my head like that. I've had a head problem in Ireland in meetings they don't

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say how are you they say how's your head because you know they say maybe it's the head doctor.

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So I was I had a head problem and and when I started using when I started

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when I would drink uh it would it would like it would relax me and I needed to be relaxed.

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Probably needed horse drink for the rest of the day. Alcohol just kind of just relaxed me and

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made me feel alive. It made me feel normal and gave me strength and courage to do whatever I

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wanted to do and uh communicate with people, look them in the eye, tell them what I really thought

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of them and uh and put on a show. A lot wasn't on shows so I put on a little show uh and I would you

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just love I love being kind of in a blackout. I love being out of my head. I was told from the

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very first night of drinking uh at probably the ages 13, 14 you know you shouldn't drink.

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Did you see what you did last night? Did you like why did you say that? You shouldn't you

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better never go back there. I mean it was just trouble. It was like you know they talk about

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the allergy of the body. I'm allergic to alcohol. When I drink I break out in handcuffs. When I

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drink I get arrested. It is destructive drinking. It may not appear to be to you because publicly,

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I will go out with you. We'll have a couple of drinks uh in some speaky speakeasy. I like slimy,

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dirty bar rooms. I don't like I would not drink in Beverly Hills. I would go there when I'm drunk

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but I would start out with some speaky, some sneaky little bar room down by the docks where

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I grew up and and get drunk there and then head off and do kind of show. Um alcohol um I ran away

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because of my thinking. I ran away from them from Ireland. I went to London at the age of 15.

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I arrived there with no plan. I just knew that when I got there I wouldn't be there

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and that that seemed to me to be a better plan. Uh I truly believe that you find money on the

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streets of London. I truly believe that when I got there that that they were who they are but

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they're that they were going to say welcome and uh they didn't. I woke up in in uh in Victoria

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Station in London, 15 years old, no plan except I knew I wasn't going back and I'm going to show

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them. I did get on the boat in Ireland and I remember throwing a pint at the at the country.

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And uh with a lot of profanity and I said I will I will show you. I don't know who you are and I

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will show you. You will be sorry. I will be back. You will see. I will you will see. I and I think

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what I was saying was to myself was you know I will be happy. I will be I will be sober. I will

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I will overcome all of this fear and internal war that was going on in me because I had set

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up to war remember at the age of 10. I had decided that nobody was going to tell me what to do. You

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can try and live like that you know as far as I'm concerned. For me to live like that doing what I

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want to do is disaster. It's just like yes it's going to be a disaster. So uh so I had that recipe

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for disaster and all I needed to do was fuel that with alcohol. And it felt great for years because

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it allowed me to sleep out. I was homeless for a long time. I had no I no plan to get a room or get

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never even thought about it. I just knew that I could find somewhere to sleep and um and I had

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ways to get places to stay. Uh and I did that in London until I got back to London and I was like,

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I'm going to go back to London. I'm going to go back to London. I'm going to go back to London. I'm going

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to go back to London and I did that in London until I got picked up by the police and sent back

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to Ireland. Then I would go back to London and I'll go back to Ireland. At the age at the age of

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16 I went back to Ireland on a final trip and uh decided that I was going to admit drunken stupor

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that I was going to kill myself. So I went to the middle of the town and uh stood on the bridge

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because that's where everybody committed suicide to jump in and I got down there and had my like

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Duran Duran white clothes on that nobody in the town wore. I'm not sure how they knew I was gay,

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but anyway. I was standing there with my Duran Duran white clothes on. I was standing there with

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my Duran, my hijab on bridge I have with me. It's not water, and there's rocks and I'm like I'm

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not jumping on them. Getting this on video...

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Even the parking ishum will be... I jump in and don't drive..

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I will lie there to the people over there, that's where they say, we love you.

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and what happens is the body bag, you know, you go to the morgue and there's a funeral.

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I mean, that's it.

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So, but that was my kind of video.

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My head was like, well, it's going to be a good ending no matter what.

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Anyway, thanks for all the time.

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It was out.

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The cops were there.

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They said, come down, come out the bridge, we'll help you.

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And they took me to the, to see the head doctors, to the mental institution.

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There was two in Ireland.

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One were in the city of Bruin, which had pool tables and table tennis.

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Because I'd been there many times to see my uncles who were rocking and rolling for alcohol,

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dementia or tremors and DTs.

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And we'd go there not to see them, to play pool.

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And everybody in Ireland stood at table tennis and pool.

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But they didn't.

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They sent me to the middle of the country, to a huge mental institution, which had an

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alcohol unit, 15 week unit.

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I was 16.

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And it was pretty brutal, but I kind of enjoyed it.

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I thought, you know,

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I woke up and there was like all these old people with dementia and depression.

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And I'd be like, after a couple of weeks, I would tell the psychiatrist, he was a complete pig.

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He was horrible, horrible human being.

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And I knew that too.

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I said, this is not the way to treat people.

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And, and I said to him, these people are screaming all night.

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Like I can't sleep.

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He said, they're screaming to go home.

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You haven't had to leave since you got here.

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What's like, what are you doing here?

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Like, what is wrong with you?

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I'm like, I'm an alcoholic.

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He's like, what?

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This is a mental hospital.

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You don't belong.

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You need to go home.

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You need to go to the alcohol unit.

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So I did this unit and, uh, did it for 15 weeks.

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And I don't remember really, I don't remember.

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And it seems like, like an old lifetime ago, which I guess it was really, but, but I was there and it just, uh, I did that unit.

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I don't remember.

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I don't remember anything.

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I just remember that the way that these therapists spoke, counselor spoke to me the day I met them from the, you know, the rapport from the very beginning, when I walked into the room, I said, I will never speak to these pigs.

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Like the way they spoke to me.

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I guess that's why the walk-in is important for me because the way they spoke to me, they were like, why are you a good black guy and sit down there?

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I'm like, so what happened?

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What's going on?

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Why are you drinking so much?

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I like cider.

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I like the taste of it.

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You know, it's you too.

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It's the music, the music.

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I can't stop drinking.

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I hear the music.

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And, uh, so I left there and, you know, uh, didn't, didn't share with nobody.

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I would, people would go to AA meetings and, you know, really it was all, it was a lot of, you know, great people that were much older.

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I was 17 and they were saying, oh, you're so lucky to get it when you're young.

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And I'm like, what, whatever.

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And then they had like white shirts and gold watches and played golf.

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And there were, you know, far as I was concerned, the roles dying, afraid of God.

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And we're like making penance with God and there's no God, but there's steps and God is all over them.

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And, you know, to me, it was the church.

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I thought this is the church.

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They're just revamped it.

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And, you know, you don't have to pay to pass the basket.

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Of course you pass it.

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Plus there's always an age, right?

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There's always money.

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So, uh,

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I didn't, I just didn't connect with it.

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I didn't see that.

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I had, I thought that, you know, it was family issues and it was because of this happening and that happening and all that stuff.

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And, um, that certain stuff certainly needed to be sorted out.

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But my reaction to that was to keep drinking and live a very chaotic, unmanageable life, which went contrary to everybody else who was around me.

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The people were like people my age at that time were, were working, were going to school, were, had structure, were paying bills, had apartments.

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And I was, uh, just avoiding any responsibility.

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Because I didn't know how to do that.

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I had no idea how to get an apartment or room.

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And I wasn't going to ask anybody and people would say, get a room.

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And I'm like, why?

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I'm not going to stick around.

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Why?

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But when you've been here a year, I mean, you might, might get a room, you know, why don't you get a winter jacket?

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I don't like jackets.

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And, uh, so just stuff like that.

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I was kind of like wired differently.

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So, uh, fast forward, my worst drunk, uh, got sober at 19 for 18 months, went to AA meetings, got a job, didn't work with people.

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I got a job in a refrigerator.

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I was packing shelves.

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Didn't have to deal with people at all because I was an equal opportunity.

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I didn't like anybody really afraid of people.

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And I still am, but, uh, but I'm not scared of you, but I was afraid then and scared, but I didn't want to mix with you.

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And I got a job in the fridge and, uh, I went to meetings and I liked people in the meetings.

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And there was a guy there who I thought was really helping him a lot.

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And he was my sponsor.

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And, uh, I thought he was really like a lovely guy, but kind of lost it.

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And, uh, he, uh, I went to meetings every night.

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And after 18 months, I was sitting on my bed, my laundry was done.

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I've done my weekly laundry.

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I looked at my life and I thought my life is manageable.

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I mean, I've, I've, I've got, I'm managing, got some money.

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I've got a little motorbike, a job managing my life.

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So I, I really don't need it.

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And I missed the bar and I missed putting my name up on the pool.

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I want to listen to Madonna come out with an album.

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It was a really good album.

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And I thought, I want to go out.

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I want the nightlife.

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I want to go out, have some fun, you know, and I still come back to the meetings.

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I see Richie.

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I think.

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And, uh, he understands that I had to go back.

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And, uh, I, I thought it was something I could just pick up and put down that I had like choice over.

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And up to that point, I was choosing because I'd kind of chosen to stay sober.

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And I went drinking for a couple of days and I burned the room down.

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I got rid of the bike.

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Yeah, of course.

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All the lucky clothes were destroyed and I got great joy in like making my life very chaotic, very quick.

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Uh, cause all that stuff in that 18 months of being sober just came out while I was drunk.

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And, uh, I was, you know, I was also a self-harmer through the whole drinking career.

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Cutting and jaywalking, standing on bridges, walking ledges, hanging off trunks, hanging off trains.

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I mean, just destructive living, destructive drinking, uh, reckless sexual conduct.

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I mean, just complete crazy demoralization.

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And somehow I got off on it because I kept doing it and it, it suited my head.

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It matched how I felt inside my head.

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And it seemed to be okay.

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My perception was completely warped.

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My life was completely warped.

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And, and I still to the very end.

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Believed that I was, my job was to manage it and not really accept help from anybody.

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And, uh, that night, uh, I went drinking.

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I put my head through a window.

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I was in a bar and I, and the bar was good.

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The music was good.

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And I remember Freddie Murphy was sitting over in the corner with some of his friends.

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And I went over to his security, gave him a slap because he was huge.

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And I thought, what are you looking at?

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He was like, I'm going to kill you.

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I'm like, mother, I'm sorry, Ray, I'm like a good alcoholic.

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And, uh, and I went outside and I thought, I hate my life.

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I can't wake up like this.

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I can't do this.

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I can't do this.

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I've been to AAF.

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I really arrogantly thought that I had tried everything.

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I tried really nothing.

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I mean, I applied nothing that they said in meetings to, you know, meeting with people and talking to people.

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I just wasn't ready.

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So I threw myself through this window and I woke up going to the hospital in the middle, center of London, 1991, January the 7th or whatever it was.

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And, uh, and I woke up and I was bleeding and I thought, I'm dying.

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I'm going to die.

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Oh my God.

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My father died from brain aneurysm.

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And my head was bleeding.

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So I thought, I'm going to die.

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I'm going to die tonight.

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I was like, you got to save me.

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Do you know who I am?

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They were like, you're not what they got.

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They're going to the hospital.

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They've been here three days, three nights in a row.

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But then I said, can you understand that?

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You have an accident, you have a burn.

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You can't wake me up.

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You can't wake me up.

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You can't wake me up.

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He said, you need to get out.

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You need to get out.

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You don't want to die.

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I woke up that morning and I said, I need to go to, and they said, you need to go to psych.

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You need to go to psychiatry.

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You need to stay in hospital.

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I said, no, I've been in hospital.

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What they said was true.

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Well, I get it.

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I get it.

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I really get it.

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I need to go to an alien meeting.

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I went to an alien meeting.

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There was a woman there.

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She saw the state of me.

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I inflected myself.

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I said, you need to go to the hospital.

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You need to go to treatment.

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You need treatment.

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You're sick.

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Tell me about your childhood.

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She asked me public questions and she could, I don't know who she was, but she obviously

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knew what she was doing.

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She said, you need to go to a treatment center.

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I don't think you're ready to join the human race yet.

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I don't think you're ready for the working life.

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I don't think you're ready to be sitting in a room on your own.

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I think you need to go out and speak to some people and get some treatment and not be punished.

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So I went to treatment and when I was driving there, I thought, when I was going there on

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the train, I thought, maybe I should cut myself because I looked pretty good when I was sober.

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I'd wake up in sidewalks, many of them, and they would say, so what's going on?

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I said, I was too drunk.

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I don't remember.

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They said, well, you seem okay.

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Are you depressed?

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I went, no.

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I've got this morning's table tennis.

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They were like, you seem okay.

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You're not really, you know, didn't really diagnose me with anything.

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And they would say, well, just don't drink.

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So I would leave and I would just say, okay, I'm not going to drink.

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And then I checked, we'll come and I get drunk.

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So I bounced back quickly at like 17, 18, 20.

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And so I went to the treatment center and I thought, I look too good.

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I look, I look like an alcoholic.

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And I went there and the intern counselor

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he listened for about 10 minutes and he said, you should stay.

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You should stay.

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Don't go back to Luck Lake, forget Luck Lake, just stay here.

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So I stayed and thank God I stayed.

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I stayed for six months with no insurance.

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It was strict because it was just normal life.

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And that to me was strict.

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Like, you got to make your bed.

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Like my mother said, what's strict about that?

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I'm like, that's tough.

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Every day, like every time I get into it, I got to make it.

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And she kept pretending to have a free year.

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And now you've got to get up at a certain time.

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I mean, that's just, that's, that's strict.

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And I went to treatment and they were, I stayed there for that time and they taught

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me how to live in the day sober and they privately spoke to me about everything

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that I'd been through and everything I put myself through and everything I put

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everybody else through and I had to write letters there to myself and start writing

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on the steps and talked, learned about the manageability and the chaos of my life

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and my dreams and there wasn't really many dreams to be honest with you.

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I just wanted to keep on the move and just keep away from whatever it was that was going to get me.

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And they helped me to understand this disease, that it was a family disease and that it wasn't my fault

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and I didn't need to be touched, that it needed to be treated.

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I couldn't think of a way to treat it.

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And the good news was it was really simple.

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It was really an easy treatment plan.

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But the bad news was that I probably wouldn't want to do any of it because it's just the way it is.

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Simple stuff that you just don't want to do.

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Like make your bed.

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You know, pay your rent at the end of the month, not the second, the end of the month.

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Why? Because they want it at the end of the month.

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And I had fights about God.

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Like, why do we have to thank God?

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He just kept this little nun in there.

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She said, it's his name.

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Just get over it.

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Like, it's just his name.

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Your name is Tommy.

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His name is God.

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Get over it.

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We're not going to change his name for you.

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I mean, there's billions of people on the planet.

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You're the only one that comes along and changes his name.

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Just get over it and let go and try and just let go and be a member.

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Just be just try and be and be just be a member here.

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You're not you're not in charge.

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Yes, we know you want to be the counselor, but you're not the counselor.

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You're not the nun.

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You're not the spiritual guide.

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And you're just you're an alcoholic.

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And you've got how many days?

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Just count your days and cherish them and try and enjoy being sober.

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Try and be honest with yourself when you go to bed and ask yourself, is this better than what it was?

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Is this better?

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Is this a better deal than what it was?

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Because if I really believe in my innermost self, then it's not.

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I don't know if I'd stick around, but I've never felt that 28 years.

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I've never felt that this is not better than what I put myself through drunk and sober, that this is not better than the degradation of not going through the window.

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That was like the greatest thing I probably ever did.

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But being in Dublin in the middle of the night and running away from home because somebody called me ginger.

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I'm like, my reaction to that was to leave the whole country or kill myself.

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It's just like way over the top.

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And normal people don't deal with problems like that.

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They like they would just take the person who said that.

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And again, it's like, I don't know.

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So I'm very mixed up and very sick.

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And they told me, you're not a bad guy.

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You're a good guy.

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You've got a good heart.

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You know what?

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You've got a good, soft, sensitive, not a gay heart, a human heart.

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You're a good guy.

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You've got good and you've got not any good intentions.

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But you're good on the inside.

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I'm not a psychopath.

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I do have compassion.

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I do care about you.

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I do care about I do want to be happy.

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I just don't know how to do it.

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And I don't know how to trust you.

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And I'm too afraid to do that.

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And I don't know what that's like.

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So they were like, well, how is it here?

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And I'm like, it's good.

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It's nice.

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It's like people are people are friendly.

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You know, you should get rid of a few of them.

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But people are friendly.

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So I stayed there.

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And that was my introduction to Alcoholics Anonymous.

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I said, you need to go to meetings.

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We're going to help you.

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We're going to reintroduce you to meetings.

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Meetings.

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It's not about playing golf.

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It's not about being afraid to die.

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It's not about any of that.

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Meetings is really what happens in meetings.

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They said to me was in that room.

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There is a power when you guys come together.

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He said, you know, when you're in the middle of the night and on the beaches

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in London and in the west south of England and two o'clock in the morning,

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you're terrified and you're on your own and you're disconnected from everybody.

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And he said, that's what meetings are not like.

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When you're in meetings, you are connected.

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Even if you don't want to be, you're just

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connected. There's this we call it spiritual.

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We call it bringing your spirit into reality and bringing it into a meeting of other drunks.

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It doesn't get more real when they're sober.

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So just sit in the room and then you're being this is the treatment.

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You're being healed.

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It's like there's like they're plugging the IV spiritual treatment and you don't even feel it.

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But it means like in a cold and you're being treated whether you want it or not.

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It doesn't matter.

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This is so powerful that whether you want it or not, you're being treated just like

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if you live with an alcoholic, whether you want to get sick or not,

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you're going to get sick if they're an active addiction, they will destroy you.

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They will.

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They will.

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The first day they'll annihilate you, they'll kill you or you'll kill yourself.

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And and the same in treatment and in meetings, there's a treatment.

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And if you if you go there and get your treatment, you can get well.

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If you stop going, you get sick.

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There's no moral applied to it.

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It's not about being good or bad.

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It's not about the only requirement is the desire to stop drinking.

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There's nobody in charge, including you.

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You're never going to be in charge no matter how long you're

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sober, you're not here to ram it down anybody's mouth or you're in here to get

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your treatment and and go out and live your life.

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And every meeting that you go to is an assurance that you'll be returned

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to sanity, that you'll be able to handle situations which is the best for you

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and everybody around you and simple things like, you know, I come to a meeting

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and I say, hey, I'm thinking about getting a job.

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And my spouse would say, get a shitty one because you're going to get fired.

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He's like,

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it'll kill you for two years old or to kill you.

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And recovery is the same.

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You're never too young to die.

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That's what I was told.

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You have to be put in the box.

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So you're not too young.

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I was over 21.

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I've stayed sober ever since.

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And through the grace of God, I have no idea because not easy out there,

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as we all know, and staying alive is hard enough.

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No, I'm staying sober.

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So but I was told that that's the treatment.

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And if you keep going to meetings, you'll be restored to sanity.

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Bring your body. Your mind will follow.

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My therapist said to me, he said, you've been here six months and he was also an AMA.

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He's also an AMA member.

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He said, give yourself 30 years of

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recovery, he said, from what I've seen, it takes about five to ten for you to kind

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of like come to terms with denial and work through the first couple of steps and learn

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about your unmanageability, sober and learn about what happened to you.

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He said, steep yourself in your problem.

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Talk about your drinking for the first year.

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Talk about what alcohol has done to you, what it's done to your life.

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Really see the problem for what it is,

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your problem, not their problem, your problem, what it's done to you.

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And try and come to terms with that.

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And then while you're doing that, you're coming to

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and you're starting to believe that there is a life, there is a powerful life,

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sober, that will restore you to feel happy about being on the planet sober and being

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returned, living sane, making sane decisions.

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And staying sober is the proof of sanity for me.

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When I stay sober, it proves that I'm sane.

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For me to pick up, all it needs is some sanity.

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And if I don't go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, I start getting sick and then I

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will be insane and I will decide it's best to get sober.

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I'll get drunk because I need to be treated.

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And alcohol would treat this disease, not in a good way, but it will treat it.

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So that's how I kind of learned it.

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If I got it wrong, guys, you're all to blame because you did this to me.

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Nothing. And you've done this to me all over the world.

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You've done this to me.

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You know, it kind of just went on like that.

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You know, days turn into weeks, into months, into years, into decades.

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And it's not easy out there, but it's there's no option for me.

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I did.

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I decided that if I drink, I knew in my inner self, if I drink alcohol or sniff

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killer or use drugs or anything, if I do this to this head, if I mix any chemical

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with this head, I'm going to end up dead and it won't be from probably not from

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cirrhosis and it'll probably be from my jumping through a window or jaywalking.

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Now I drive. Can you imagine?

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So it would be just it's destructive drinking.

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There were good times, but bottom line, it was destructive drinking.

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And even if, you know, there's times in sobriety where I think maybe it was, you know, maybe I've never drank tequila.

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I was in Mexico for my honeymoon this year and I thought, I've never had a handle martini.

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I didn't have that back in Ireland.

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You know, maybe it's because of the abuse.

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Maybe it's because of this.

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Maybe.

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But as alcohol is concerned, my drinking was destructive drinking.

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My drinking was never not destructive.

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It was it was predicted.

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It was predictable.

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And I remember telling my mother in treatment, I said, Mom,

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she said to the counselor, what's wrong with him?

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He says, well, he's an alcoholic.

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And I said, we have a dysfunctional family.

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I was kind of like a little bit of blaming her.

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We're dysfunctional because of you.

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And she said, we don't find that you arrived, but you're in the woods,

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you're in the middle of life and I'm worried about you.

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Where are you?

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Is he dead? Is he alive?

31:35

You come home with a bag of clothes, an alcoholic, and then you come home sober with money.

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And you'd be like, you're not an alcoholic.

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And then you come home and say you're straight and you're gay.

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And then you're gone.

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And we didn't.

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We were as confused as you.

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I'm glad you're locked up in here because

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that's why she was like, well, it's wrong because we've been through this so many times.

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What she didn't understand was the cycle of addiction and the way of life that goes with it.

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So anyway, what it's like now.

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So I came into Alcoholics Anonymous when I was 21 with a bad attitude.

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He told me to take a seat.

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And people who were not nice to me, they didn't come back to me a second time.

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So I didn't suffer.

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I didn't like being told what to do.

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I would just tell them to go away, leave me alone.

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And I had a couple of women who were old timers.

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I don't know why, but they took me under their wing in Bristol in England.

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And they said, you know, you can suffer six months and you need to work.

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We've got a job for you in a coffee shop.

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And I said, okay.

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And I went and worked in this coffee shop.

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I was not good in a coffee shop because, I mean, when you ask for a second cup, I'm like, don't you have any gratitude?

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I mean, there's other people here, you know, tree cups.

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Are you kidding me?

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I mean, no.

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There's a really odd, just bad attitude.

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And they took me under their wing.

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And there was a couple of men at the meeting, old timers.

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They would say to me, hang in there.

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I would say to them, I don't have any money, I have no work, I have no money, I have no cigarettes.

32:59

The gas is off at the house.

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I sleep on a coffin.

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I call my bed a coffin.

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It's like getting out of a grave, the alcoholic apartment.

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I loved it in meetings, but when I would leave meetings, it just felt like hell.

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What the hell am I going to do all night?

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I have no money.

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It's just desperation on the inside.

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And I wouldn't even go to get the cookies.

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In a meeting like this, if I came in here hungry, I would be too humiliated to go down there because you would all see me taking the cookies.

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And then you would be talking about, did you see Tommy?

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He's like, you weren't doing that at all.

33:30

It's just my ego, my disease, my just alcoholism.

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And eventually, you know, it just becomes painful enough sober that I just start to reveal myself to you guys.

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I start to say, tell you what's going on.

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And people would slowly, you know, my sponsor, my first sponsor, I'd see him twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays at seven o'clock.

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He would make a cup of tea, Irish tea.

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He'd have a saucer and a cup and he'd turn off the phone.

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And he would say to me, you know, he'd ask me about my week.

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We take it week by week.

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I need to apply the steps to my life.

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I look like he would say, how are you treating the stores?

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How are you on the buses?

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What's your behavior like?

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And I just started chipping away at it.

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Trying to live sober day at a time was never easy for me or you.

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And, you know, I always say to myself, anything is possible.

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I came to the States in 2010 with no papers to stay, with nothing but a car that broke down the day I arrived.

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Good riddance of raptor.

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And I've become a citizen since I've been here.

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I've done four degrees since I've been here and finishing my doctorate, you know, for a redhead, blue-snipping psych patient.

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He's not even inside of a doctor.

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It's the journey of it all, you know, it's not the destination, the journey of living sober, really about not picking up a drink, day at a time, and what applied to me then applies to me now.

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And it stands the test of time.

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I just said I did 90 and 90.

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The best time this year I've had is the last 90 days of coming to a meeting every day and just getting back into the booths and getting some commitment and following the structure of the meetings and just being a new member again.

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And it's a very good time.

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Thank you guys so much.