From Discomfort to Sobriety: Janice's Journey
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From Discomfort to Sobriety: Janice's Journey

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Janice shares a candid account of her path to sobriety, reflecting on a childhood marked by family dynamics, early exposure to alcohol, and struggles with body image and mental health. She explores themes of self-perception, early experimentation with substances, and the pivotal role of her sponsor in finding lasting recovery and faith.

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Double distance, I'll take another one.

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I'm super excited to meet Oscar Day-Lorenton Brown.

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He's so cute.

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He's so cute.

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And Diane.

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And Stacey.

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And Stacey has seven days.

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And Stacey has seven days.

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And then Monica.

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And then Monica.

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I want to welcome you if you've been around when you're here.

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I want to welcome you if you've been around when you're here.

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Oh, let me tell you my sobriety date.

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My sobriety date is May 11, 1997.

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So I'm 21 years, 5 months, and 2 days.

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So I'm 21 years, 5 months, and 2 days.

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Because of Everyday Channel.

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It's a Pacific group down at Beyonder.

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Oh, wait, let me thank Scott, the host with the moat.

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Oh, wait, let me thank Scott, the host with the moat.

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Thank you, Scott.

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And my sponsor, Pat Doe.

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And my sponsor, Pat Doe.

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If you might know Pat Doe, she's got a whole bunch of variety.

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She is the most amazing woman in my life.

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She's my voice.

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She's in my head.

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You know, the bar is high.

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And I'm grateful.

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Thank you for my water foot.

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I'm from Florence, California.

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I'm the middle misfit of three.

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I will tell you that if you're new here,

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or if you're back,

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you have come back.

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I came back many times.

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This is not my first sobriety.

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I don't know, but I know a lot of people that got so rid of their first sobriety.

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It's not my story.

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You know, my second sobriety, my third sobriety,

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my whatever.

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You know what, everything I'm talking about are my God shots

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to get me where I am today.

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You know what, no matter how good, bad, or ugly,

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or indifferent, or horrific they were,

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I'm so grateful for all of them.

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I don't want to change any of them.

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Now, in the moment, some of them are happening.

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I don't know what I would have told you that.

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But, here's my story.

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So, I'm from Florence, California.

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I'm the middle misfit of three.

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I was a chunky kid.

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I had a younger sister, older brother, mom, dad, small family.

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We're, you know, Catholic, Irish,

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Catholic, whatever.

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But Irish and Italian, for sure.

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And, you know, I was a chunky kid.

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I really related to everything Nate and Diane were talking about.

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I was really uncomfortable in my skin when I was young.

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I was a chunky kid.

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I cared what you thought about me

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at the age of two.

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And I really remember that.

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I remember, like, I cared so much.

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I remember in kindergarten,

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my mom cut my hair, and they were calling me

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James instead of Janice.

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Well, I carried that resentment until I got sober.

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You know, I remember that.

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I mean, my parents, they followed the rules.

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They fought a lot.

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Does that make me not follow the rules?

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They fought a lot.

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They drank. As they drank, they got along better.

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You know, there was a lot of pots and pans

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and things lying around the house.

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And I remember, like, you know,

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I remember I used to think...

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I remember from the very beginning of my life,

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so self-absorbed and self-centered

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and self-seeking.

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Everything revolved around what I thought.

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It's alcoholism.

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People remember that before I picked up a drink.

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My first little chemical from the neck up

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was food. I don't know about you,

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but I started overeating at a very young age.

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I was a fat little kid.

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I hate to use that word, but I look.

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They put me on dexedrine at the age of nine

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because she worked for doctors,

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and I liked it.

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The effect it produced from the neck up.

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It's a speed, right?

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So I was sitting in a house.

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Now, you know what I mean?

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It's natural. I don't need any medicine.

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And, you know, whatever was happening,

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we would go to the hall.

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We would go to the white ticket fence.

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We would go and all that.

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And then I was just done going on.

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My mom would say, you know, go out in the world

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and feel the way.

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You know what? It's fine.

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I became a serious people-poser.

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I felt uncomfortable in my skin,

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but yet I was accepted, friends, popular,

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all that stuff, because you know what?

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If you didn't like me, I'd go over and ask you why,

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and I'd find out, and then I'd change for you.

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And, you know,

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I remember my first little sippy-poo.

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I was very young.

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I had beer with a little bit of salt in it

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because we were Italian.

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I had a little bit of cold duck.

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I had sangria,

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and I had a little bit of Olympia beer,

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and I had a little bit,

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you know, my dad would let me take a little sippy-sip,

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you know, and Lancer's wine.

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Does anybody remember any of these?

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And, um,

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and then there was Boone's farm tickle cake.

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Like, that stuff.

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So, you know, I remember my family,

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and I love my family.

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My parents let us drink a little bit at the house,

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you know, and my mom was very liberal.

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And I, you know, I, like, became a little woman

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at the age of nine.

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So I started learning about the world

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when I was really young, right?

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I was nine.

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So I'm, like, developing, and the kids are making fun of me,

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and, you know, I was uncomfortable in my skin.

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And, uh, I'll tell you,

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I remember when I first started drinking,

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and not really, like, my first kind of brownout,

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but I'll just remember,

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I was having, like, three or four beers,

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and some Boone's farm,

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Boone's farm tickle cake, you know,

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that uncomfortability.

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You are lucky to be with me.

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My perception changed right away.

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You know what? I'm all that and a bag of chips,

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and you are lucky to be with me.

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I'm an alcoholic, because alcohol

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changes my perception.

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That started happening very early for me.

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Now, I wasn't drinking every day at the age of 13 or 14,

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but I remember when I picked up a drink,

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through my early years of drinking,

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I was drinking more than the kids I was with.

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You know, I was just drinking, like,

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six or seven drinks, and everybody else

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was on their first or second one,

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and I thought, I can handle my alcohol.

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I'm a heavy duty alcoholic drinker.

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I can handle it.

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Now, you know,

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from the beginning,

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I was drinking alcohol,

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but I thought not to be an alcoholic.

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So, high school, you know,

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I'm the girl that,

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I start doing the teeter-totter with,

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you know, the diet pills,

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and then losing a thousand pounds

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twenty times, a million times, you know.

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That's very much part of my ism,

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you know, I'm not going to go into this,

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but when you have severe eating disorders,

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you become that liar,

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and that cheater, and that manipulator,

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and that stealer.

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Get that, and then by the time I picked up the drink,

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it was on.

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I'm the liar, the cheat, the thief,

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and a ho-ho-ho, and nothing will be the same.

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And then, you know,

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soon I'm escalating to

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high school.

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High school graduation for me,

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and I like to drink,

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and I don't like food getting in the way,

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I don't know about you guys,

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but I just like the effect produced by alcohol.

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So let's drink.

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I blacked out in my high school graduation.

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My parents had a party for me.

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Oops, I forgot to show up.

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You know, that's like 17 years old, right?

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17 years old.

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I mean, a major disappointment to folks.

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But I remember it all from, like,

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I just stopped drinking Lambert,

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and I went to bars.

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I wanted to go early.

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I got a job right away out of high school,

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and I just wanted to get in the bars.

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And I remember in Fort Cliff, like, this rain tree.

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I just see the rain tree.

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Every time I say that,

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do I remember you?

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I'm like, did we sleep together?

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Who's kidding?

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Who needs the ice?

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Who needs the brown ice?

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Who needs the glass?

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So, you know,

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I just remember how much I was drinking,

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and I couldn't.

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I'm in the bar, and I'm drinking, and I have two drinks in front of me,

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and I can't wait for the bartender to come to me and, like,

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order another one, you know?

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It's just like that was happening very early.

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So anyways, I'm, you know, started doing other things

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that allow me to drink more, you know?

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And that's just all of the world for me.

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You know, to us.

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I don't need to drink more, but

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when I find my other party favors,

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I can drink more.

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I think I started going home with people, you know?

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Last call means find somebody.

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That was like 20, you know,

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I'm in my, like, 19, 20, 21,

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and, you know, I got my first gut shot.

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Big gut shot. Big gut shot, because I got my first drunk

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driving, and here, let me

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paint the picture. This is how I drank.

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So, I fall out of my car. I'm about a block

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away from my house. I fall out of my

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little car, and it's a female

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officer and a male officer.

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Proceed to tell the female officer that she is a

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lesbian, and she is going to rape me.

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That doesn't go over very well.

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And then I have

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the male officer

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call it.

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Now, it is

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.30. It is very

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accurate. So, back in those days, it was

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.10. It was .30.

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And I remember, I think

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I was called in when I was

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56 years old. So, this has been going on

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for a while. And I remember what they

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said. They said, honey, you are

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probably not here by mistake, and if you don't

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pay attention, we guarantee you'll be back.

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And I'm like, so I remember

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my first AA meeting. I'm in the back.

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I'm not relating to you. I'm hearing the differences.

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I'm hearing the differences, not

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similarity. Although, I knew something

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intuitively not right. And I

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fulfilled those obligations. And I remember

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you know, I would go to

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AA, and I would just feel so

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sorry for you. But I remember when I was in an

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AA meeting, I was salivating for a drink.

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You all were talking about drinking.

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So, I'm 21. You know

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what? I spent until I'm

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35 trying to get here to stay here.

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From 21 to 35. And so,

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I'm forever grateful.

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I'm forever grateful for every single

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solitary mistake. Every single

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solitary demoralizing experience

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because I've had several of them.

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I'm

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so grateful for every time

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I took back my will and I drink.

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I mean, because let me just tell you how this goes.

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21, I'm living like this.

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Okay. So, I'll do anything for

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attention. You know, I, all my friends were

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getting married in my early 20s. And you know,

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I wasn't. Nobody was really

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wanting to marry me. So, at weddings, I just

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get surprised, get all the attention

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and really want to stay here.

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I don't need a blackout drink.

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You know, I'm a great man at weddings.

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Short dress.

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You know, and these are the kinds of things I do

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always.

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You know, but I'm drinking. So, I don't remember.

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So, you know,

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right?

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I cannot tell you that I went,

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I have this drink for you and everybody else.

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But you do.

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So, I'm in my 20s. Life is going on.

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I'm a secretary by trade.

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You know, and I'm

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also the kind of girl that has maybe a boyfriend

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over here that would be good

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for this. Maybe money.

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And there might be a boyfriend over here that might

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be good for me for something over here.

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And then there might be one. So, monogamy wasn't really

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my thing. I got another drunk driving

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at the age of 24.

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And that's that second view.

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Another super God shot for me.

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You know? Big God shot.

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Oh, and I've seen a therapist, but I'm lying to her.

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I don't know what it is about that. It doesn't work very well

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when you're seeing a therapist and you're lying.

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I always lie about how much I drink, too.

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Because, like, I'm drinking straight vodka

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in my early 20s already.

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And I always say, well, I'm three beers.

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Like, every time I get arrested,

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I have three beers off for a bottle

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or two or three of vodka.

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But I remember my second view.

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My disease and her disease

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is progressive. So, you know,

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my second view, I'm always right around

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the corner from my house in one of my dive bars.

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Because, you know, I went to really nice

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bars until I couldn't get into really nice

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bars anymore. Because I just do things that are

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so unacceptable to the human race.

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And so,

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and I like dive bars.

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I like to go down, you know,

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near little brothers.

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I get all dressed up, you know, when I go into

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dive bars. I feel like you fell

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on the ball. But, you know, like,

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that second view, I hit and ran.

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I mean, no, I didn't hit and run that one.

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The third one was hit and run.

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But the second one, I hit, like,

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guys start calling me.

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You know, they were in

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my wake.

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I'm going

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so fast.

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I hit all these cars and then I

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towed my car in this huge

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pool truck. But honestly, I was

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going so fast, I would hit going, you know,

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I was going, like, to a wall.

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And my little car was behind the little car,

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you know. And you know what? God,

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God got me. I mean, I'm

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so grateful I never hurt anybody

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because I had three DUIs and I used to

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drink all the time. I used

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to drink and drive all the time. Anybody else?

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Drink and drive, drink

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and drive, drink and drive,

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drink and drive, drink and walk,

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drink and get on the bike, drink and get on the bus.

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I lost my license so many

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times. I get on the bus, but I

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got a big old bottle of vodka in my purse.

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From one stop to the next, I'm

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in a blackout. Pretty soon, the bus

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driver stops and the cops are

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picking me up and taking me to jail.

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I mean, I black out. I go crazy places.

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It happens over and over again.

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You know, and I end up in places with people

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that I should not be with, you know. And for

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goodness sakes, who are you and what did we

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do?

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You know, aspiring to be a stripper.

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That was my big goal in life at the time.

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I couldn't even get a job doing that.

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I know.

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Girls knew, you know,

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when you're a prostitute, I mean, like, I should have got paid

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for it. I would have been a millionaire.

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I need to laugh so hard

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on y'all.

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So, I'm in my twenties, and I get that

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second DUI. You know,

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again, once again, the cops pull me

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over. All these people are coming out.

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What damage I did to them.

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And I thought, oh, poor me. I just

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totaled my car. Poor little me.

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And I still was damaged. Of course, I didn't

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need to take them to take me

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to the hospital. And, you know,

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it's a .31, so I

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like to drink. And I went into,

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you know, I had to go to,

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oh my gosh, it was like 36

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Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. I thought, how could

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I ever do that?

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And that's the drunk driving. And you know,

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that's not what they made me sign

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this contract that I wouldn't drink. And you know what?

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I won't drink. I won't drink. But you know what?

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I couldn't not drink. Couldn't. I'm a liar.

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I'm like, yeah, I'm in my classes going,

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yeah, I'm sober. You know.

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I was really, really,

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really

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I was really, I was depressed.

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I'm the one in the family that's always coming

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home with the chaos

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and the ruined cars. And

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I didn't really know what

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alcoholic meant. I just knew

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I didn't want to be that. You know?

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And we have alcoholics in our family.

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I have, you know, I have a friend and uncle

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that was an alcoholic. And I never

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wanted to be like him. But honestly, I lived

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my life just like he was. You know, I do

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crazy things. And I drank like

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him. And so I remember

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you know, you're the smartest people I

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know. We're hard workers. I'm a hard

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worker. And you know, when I couldn't show up

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for that job and I was starting to

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just, I had to drink.

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You know, I got in my first, my

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first rehab. And I like to talk about

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this because I've been to a few. But

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I was about 26 and a half,

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27 years old. And this is

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where I got into Delamo Hospital

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in Torrance. And this was a

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sobriety that lasted for three and a half years.

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I love to talk about this. I'm sure you all

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can relate if you've been around long enough

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or maybe you had this experience and you also

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went out. Dry time. You know? Dry time.

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Where I'm sober, but these

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beautiful steps and these beautiful traditions

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are good for you, but you don't really need

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to do them. And I want to paint

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a picture of how I lived my life like that

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when I'm sober. But not emotionally

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sober. And I don't have a God because

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it's me. And I don't have the steps. And I

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don't have you. And I don't live by these

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traditions. So I got sober. And I'll tell you

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everybody's happy when

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I'm not drinking. Physical sobriety for

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me, my whole family's happy.

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The community is safer.

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It's really two mixed things. Life

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alcoholic, choc-holic, man-holic,

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you know, whatever. A-holic.

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But that's how it goes. Three and a half

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years, I'm sober. And

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you know, that first year I worked

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programs. You know, I was in Delamo Hospital

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and, you know, we were just like

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you were talking about, we went through steps

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and, you know, we had groups

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and we went to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.

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You know, the key is we go to Alcoholics Anonymous

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meetings. The key in any rehab that I've

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ever been in is that you go to Alcoholics Anonymous.

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But here's how my life goes. So

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my first little joggy poo was

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I was an office manager.

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And this is where I met my brother-in-law.

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I introduced my brother-in-law

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to my sister because she's so adorable

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and he's so adorable. And I introduced them. But here's

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how it goes. So I'm the office manager

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and I do not have a sponsor.

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And I kind of go to meetings. And I'm kind of

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and I'm really sober. But I'm

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not emotionally sober. I'm not looking at any steps.

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It would have been the rehab.

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I don't have a sponsor because they tell me what to do

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and I just really don't need that.

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And, you know what, I

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God is

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somewhere there, but really I'm in control.

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So I had two

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I had two drunk drivings and I

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broke the law by getting a speeding ticket

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and I forgot to show up in court.

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Because I'm not really responsible

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or accountable to anything that I'm doing, right?

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I'm not talking to a sponsor. I'm not telling

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anybody because I'm so ashamed.

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And so, they come to my

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office and there are two officers

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and they go, now I'm the office manager

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don't you know, in the big building. And they

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arrested me and took me away.

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Now, when they took me away

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and I'm sober, by the way

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and I had like a year and a half of sobriety

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or a year and something.

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Took me to jail. Now I'm sober in jail.

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And, oops, I forget. I'm also

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in charge of the petty cash quarter.

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Now I am entitled to borrow when I

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need it. However, I borrowed it all.

17:51

So, when I was in jail

17:53

I was like, holy poo.

17:55

I came back to my little office job

17:57

and my brother-in-law, who was a bigwig there

17:59

all fantasized over me.

18:01

But I'm sober. I'm sober.

18:03

Life continues to go on like this.

18:05

What else did I do in that?

18:07

In another job.

18:09

I'm working in aerospace now.

18:11

I'm working at Rockwell International.

18:13

I did this great job as

18:15

executive secretary.

18:17

But now what I'm doing is

18:19

I'm having an affair with my boss.

18:21

Actually, he's not married.

18:23

He has a girlfriend and another girlfriend.

18:25

One at home and one in the office and me.

18:27

This is how I live when I'm sober.

18:29

I don't have a sponsor.

18:31

I don't have you.

18:33

And I don't have a God.

18:35

And, of course, I hate my life.

18:37

But I'm fine. Of course I'm gonna drink.

18:39

Three and a half years.

18:41

And so I love that y'all told me that it would be worse

18:43

when I picked up a drink and I went,

18:45

nah, maybe for you.

18:47

So I picked up that drink three and a half years later

18:49

and

18:51

I'll never forget it.

18:53

And you know, in a matter of a couple of days

18:55

I very quickly got another drunk driving.

18:57

It was a hit and run.

18:59

Very quickly. Very, very quickly.

19:01

That job that I was on at Rockwell

19:03

I was, you know, like I told you guys,

19:05

hard worker.

19:07

I'm really doing well on this job

19:09

and I'm dry so I'm not spiritually connected.

19:11

But you know what? I'm a people pleaser

19:13

so I know how to do that.

19:15

My pull is so big.

19:17

I never want to forget that pull.

19:19

What was lacking was God,

19:21

fellowship, steps, principles,

19:23

tradition, you know, friends,

19:25

relationships, you know, relationships.

19:27

Because then I'm also having that affair

19:29

that I was also having another one.

19:31

It's like I just live drunk but I'm sober.

19:33

Painful, painful, painful, painful.

19:35

And then the delusion of

19:37

I forgot how bad it got.

19:39

It takes what it takes to be able to be here

19:41

and to want to be here, you know?

19:43

When I was a corporate I just thought,

19:45

I don't know if this is like forever for me.

19:47

Really, I think I'm just going to be okay.

19:49

For a little bit.

19:51

I can drink like a lady.

19:53

Well, I think I'm a pig, I'm telling you.

19:55

From 91 to 97

19:57

when I get sober.

19:59

I have to shut up in 10 minutes, right?

20:01

15 minutes? Okay, thank you.

20:03

When I picked up that drink

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in 91 to 97

20:07

it got bad.

20:09

It was already not good and it got...

20:11

Oh, I forgot to tell you too.

20:13

I remember one time,

20:15

this is the kind of girl I am too.

20:17

I think you kind of get how I drink.

20:19

You know, I wake up pregnant

20:21

not sure how that happens.

20:25

I never want to forget.

20:27

I don't have children

20:29

but I have babies and AA.

20:31

So you know the story.

20:33

I never want to forget the incomprehensible demoralization

20:35

that I lived over and over and over

20:37

and over and over again.

20:39

It's the first drink that gets me hurt.

20:41

So,

20:43

in 91, I had been on this job

20:45

for like three and a half years

20:47

and I'm like the only employee of the year

20:49

and I pick up a drink again.

20:51

The top security in the government

20:53

is writing me up.

20:55

Now, I forgot to tell you what I'm doing.

20:57

This is so incomprehensible demoralizing

20:59

but I'm stealing the government desks

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and money and food.

21:03

I like to steal food.

21:05

I like to steal food in everybody's refrigerators

21:07

and one day I'm at my desk.

21:09

Now, I'm drinking on the job at this point.

21:11

I was with the government

21:13

for eight years. Three and a half years.

21:15

I was sober. Four, I was sober.

21:17

And three and a half, I wasn't.

21:19

It's just like night and day.

21:21

Oh my God, here she comes.

21:23

Because I'm a great worker.

21:25

I'm a great worker like you all are.

21:27

I'm a great worker.

21:29

That job tried to get me sober like three times.

21:31

EAP program.

21:33

I went to another program over here

21:35

and another program over here.

21:37

Three months here, six months here, nine months there.

21:39

I'm so grateful that I have had all of these

21:41

doing it Janice's way

21:43

and knocked to the bottom of the bottom of the bottom.

21:45

I'm so grateful because I'll never forget.

21:47

I'll never forget.

21:49

And it took what it took.

21:51

In 95, oh wait.

21:53

Let me tell you about my desk.

21:55

Once I'm in here and I'm eating a sandwich at my desk.

21:57

You know what?

21:59

I drink until 3 o'clock in the morning

22:01

and then I wake up at 6 o'clock and I'm still lit.

22:03

I'm lit.

22:05

I had like two big bottles of vodka.

22:07

All I need to do is drink a little bit of water

22:09

and I'm lit again.

22:11

That's how I go to work.

22:13

You know, I stole somebody's sandwich.

22:15

Ronald stole your sandwich.

22:17

Everybody knows I steal food.

22:19

I'm the only one that things don't know.

22:21

I'm the only one.

22:23

I steal food.

22:25

I eat it at my desk.

22:27

That's probably going to throw it up too

22:29

because you're not a barber-scarfer.

22:31

But anyway.

22:33

That's a whole other program.

22:35

But seriously, you come up to my desk

22:37

and you're like,

22:39

Yes I do. Could you make another one tomorrow?

22:41

I'm like, sure.

22:43

Everybody knows.

22:45

They let me go.

22:47

Because the ombudsman was writing about me.

22:49

You don't want that in government.

22:51

So, 1995.

22:53

I'm going to get sober now.

22:55

1995 to 1997.

22:57

Well, nope, I'm not sober.

22:59

I drank like a fish.

23:01

Around the clock, pop-up vodka.

23:03

Morning to day, I lost that job.

23:05

My dad was diagnosed with horrific cancer.

23:07

1995 to 1997, I did not drop.

23:09

My last drink lasted for two years.

23:11

I didn't drop sober.

23:13

Not one day. Not one minute.

23:15

I was drunk the whole time.

23:17

You know what?

23:19

Those things that aren't really supposed to be happening to women

23:21

are happening to you all the time.

23:23

I will sell my soul to the devil

23:25

to get a drink.

23:27

I have pizza delivery boys coming to my house.

23:29

I don't have any money, but

23:31

I'm still getting pizza.

23:35

You know, they call me,

23:37

Hey, how about a pizza?

23:39

I always knew that I never needed everything.

23:45

I always knew.

23:47

I always knew I'd take my will back.

23:49

I always knew.

23:51

It was so hard for me.

23:53

So much work.

23:55

In May 11, 1997, I got into the house of hope.

23:57

I didn't really have any friends.

23:59

Because you know what?

24:01

If you knew where I'd been, you couldn't tell me where to go.

24:03

I didn't really want to have anything.

24:05

I hated myself.

24:07

I hated myself so much.

24:09

All the names in the book that I don't say from the podium,

24:11

I would just answer them.

24:13

I never want to forget.

24:15

I got in the house of hope.

24:17

And I lived there.

24:19

And I remember, by this time,

24:21

my family, oh my gosh.

24:23

My poor family.

24:25

My dad is dying of cancer.

24:27

And that didn't even get me sober.

24:29

He's like, kid, my cancer's not killing me.

24:31

You are.

24:33

It didn't even get me sober.

24:35

Honey, baffling, powerful.

24:37

But what happened for me is, in May 11, 1997,

24:39

I got into the house of hope.

24:41

And I started this journey.

24:43

And I'm really grateful that May 11, 1997 is my sobriety day.

24:45

And I want to keep it.

24:47

I love my sobriety day.

24:49

I want to keep it.

24:51

If you're new, Stacey and Will, Catherine,

24:53

I love my sobriety day.

24:55

You can keep it.

24:57

You can.

24:59

Absolutely.

25:01

And so, what happened for me is,

25:03

I'm so grateful for the house of hope.

25:05

And I'm so grateful for the women that have sponsored me.

25:07

From the beginning to today.

25:09

And I will tell you,

25:11

the one thing I didn't like about sponsorship

25:13

is they told me what to do.

25:15

And that's exactly what this alcoholic means.

25:17

And what happened for me is,

25:19

God had a way for me that I needed to get off the street

25:21

to be with women.

25:23

And then have a sponsor that was part of the Pacific group.

25:25

And Molly would pick me up from San Pedro

25:27

and bring me down to the west side.

25:29

Now, I love Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.

25:31

I love club meetings.

25:33

I love to go and hang out with the guys.

25:35

What I found for this alcoholic

25:37

was that the women stick with the women

25:39

and the men stick with the men.

25:41

And I'm like,

25:43

you should stay with the men for a year.

25:45

I'm like, sure.

25:47

She goes, yeah, they don't want anything to do with you.

25:49

I'm like, you sure?

25:51

She's absolutely right.

25:53

You know what?

25:55

I got into the Pacific group my first year.

25:57

I didn't turn myself in until I had a year and a half sobriety

25:59

because they were a little too serious.

26:01

But I will tell you,

26:03

these are some of the highlights

26:05

that have held me in really good stead,

26:07

was that the women stick with the women

26:09

and the men stick with the men.

26:11

And that's what I need.

26:13

And the women gave me their numbers.

26:15

And I called them and they called me back.

26:17

That probably was happening in other areas in my life in AA,

26:19

but I just never gave it a shot.

26:21

And this is like,

26:23

for any Alcoholics Anonymous meeting,

26:25

this is just as profound for this alcoholic.

26:27

We don't chant when we read.

26:29

And this alcoholic needed to hear what was being read.

26:31

I needed to shut off,

26:33

because I want to chill.

26:35

I want to tell you, I want to say all those things.

26:37

And I needed to shut up and listen

26:39

to the language of the heart

26:41

and the literature that has

26:43

that saves our lives.

26:45

Because I've read it over and over again and never picked.

26:47

I never lived it.

26:49

I can talk it, but I can't walk it.

26:51

And talking it and not walking it, boy, it's painful.

26:53

It's really painful. I've done it. I know.

26:55

I'm so forever grateful that I know the difference today.

26:57

I have to shut up in two minutes? Five minutes?

26:59

Okay, thank you. Thank you.

27:01

Oh, because the lights aren't on yet. Thank you.

27:03

The House of Hope was not easy.

27:05

And I'm so grateful that it wasn't.

27:07

The journey has been one day at a time.

27:09

And I'm so grateful to tell you that I've worked for it.

27:11

It didn't come to me. Nothing came easy.

27:13

I'm so grateful.

27:15

The House of Hope, we had to learn how to clean.

27:17

And if it wasn't clean enough,

27:19

we had to do it again. Five minutes.

27:21

And you know what I want to say, right?

27:23

You know what I want to say.

27:25

I didn't know the Pacific group

27:27

what they were until I got there.

27:29

I just remember these things like this.

27:31

You know, the chanting.

27:33

I started learning how to listen

27:35

to our literature.

27:37

That's why I thank you for reading.

27:39

Because it saved my life.

27:41

And then, you know, what happened for me,

27:43

my first year of sobriety,

27:45

I was not picture-perfect poster child

27:47

of AA once again.

27:49

My sponsor said, don't get in a relationship.

27:51

And I said, okay. Okay, I won't.

27:53

You know.

27:55

And my dad is severely ill.

27:57

I'm so forever grateful.

27:59

I love my dad.

28:01

We got to be with my dad.

28:03

Let me just paint a picture.

28:05

I wasn't allowed to be in my parents' house.

28:07

But sober, I was.

28:09

I got to be with my dad when he was really sick.

28:11

And he saw me sober.

28:13

And I got to promise him.

28:15

I got to promise him. I got to promise my dad.

28:17

Dad, they said I have to do it for me this time

28:19

through my backup plan.

28:21

No matter why you come to AA, when you come to AA,

28:23

until it turns out to be what it is.

28:25

I can't tell you how many times I came for dad.

28:27

And my sponsor, you know, I lied to her.

28:29

And you know what?

28:31

And I got in so much pain.

28:33

Finally I learned that lying in sobriety

28:35

and doing things behind my sponsor's back was not cool.

28:37

And she fired me.

28:39

And you know, then I lost my dad.

28:41

And then I made a commitment to Alcoholics Anonymous.

28:43

I made a commitment, went down and turned myself into that home group.

28:45

Turned myself into the Pacific group.

28:47

And you know what?

28:49

The Pacific group is awesome.

28:51

It is structured.

28:53

I am an unstructured person by nature.

28:55

I don't want to do things. I want to do what I want to do.

28:57

I want to do what you want me to do.

28:59

And you know what?

29:01

I had to learn how to do what someone else wanted me to do

29:03

in order to change my perception of my actions.

29:05

So again, it's a program of action.

29:07

It's not a program of action.

29:09

It's a program of action.

29:11

So I started going to all the meetings.

29:13

I got a sponsor.

29:15

I started going to six meetings a week.

29:17

I got commitments at all those meetings.

29:19

Commitments is a little job before the meeting.

29:21

And that's where I started learning how to have friends.

29:23

Hey Brittany, how are you doing tonight?

29:25

Let me say and let me shut up.

29:27

Let me remember one thing you tell me.

29:29

My brain is really on.

29:31

What do you think of me? What do you think of me?

29:33

Are you thinking about me right now?

29:35

What are you thinking about me?

29:37

Let me talk about it.

29:39

And I started learning that really early.

29:41

And then take the actions the feelings will follow.

29:43

What does that mean?

29:45

What does it mean?

29:47

You know, I better sit around and think about it.

29:49

When feelings will follow.

29:51

My sponsor would say, I don't know when the feelings are going to make you feel better.

29:53

Do it anyway.

29:55

And calling a sponsor every day at the same time.

29:57

Such a tall order.

29:59

And then I couldn't wait to do it.

30:01

I get to the meeting early and I couldn't.

30:03

You know, I'm like, oh my God.

30:05

And then I get there and I have a meeting before the meeting.

30:07

And that's where my perception started to change.

30:09

And my life started to change because I started doing these things at my job.

30:11

And then my job started to get better.

30:13

Because you taught me how to suit up and showed up.

30:15

And that's better than I feel.

30:17

Like, this is a really good one.

30:19

Better than I feel until I feel better about the way I act.

30:21

So.

30:23

It's a really tough day, Oscar.

30:25

Oh my gosh.

30:27

You know, oh my gosh, oh my gosh.

30:29

Ben, oh my gosh, my day's been so hard.

30:31

Oh Nate, my day's been so hard.

30:33

Oh God, Karen, my day's been so hard.

30:35

Let me just walk around the whole room and tell you about how bad my day is.

30:37

No.

30:39

Tell my sponsor, tell a friend, and then go be of service to you.

30:41

Act better than I feel until I feel better about the way I act.

30:43

Pretty soon I like the way I act.

30:45

Then I like Janet.

30:47

What a concept.

30:49

Like brilliant stuff.

30:51

You know, and it's so simple.

30:53

One minute.

30:55

One minute.

30:57

One minute.

30:59

All of the steps.

31:01

And the steps.

31:03

And seeing my part.

31:05

I'm a part of all of it.

31:07

Yeah, I'm a part of all of it.

31:09

A couple things I wasn't a part of.

31:11

But most of it was all part of it.

31:13

You know, and then amends.

31:17

Amends.

31:19

John's above.

31:21

Okay, I have to tell you.

31:23

I love you so much more.

31:25

And I'm so sorry I got stuck in my drunk.

31:27

But I'm taking care of my 88-year-old mother who kicked me out of my house so many times.

31:31

Who hated me.

31:33

And who loves me today because she relies on me.

31:35

I take care of her.

31:37

Because you taught me how to be a good daughter, sister, aunt, wife, friend, Alcoholics Anonymous member, child of God, sister, aunt.

31:49

Those are big roles.

31:51

I didn't get to do 21 years, 5 months, and 2 days ago.

31:55

And I am an employee among employees.

31:59

I mean, I run a business.

32:01

But it doesn't matter that I run a business.

32:03

Because I'm just a worker.

32:05

You taught me how to do all that.

32:07

I love you.

32:09

I can't wait to be here with all of you one more day every day.

32:11

Thank you for having me.