Finding Serenity After Trauma: Steve's Journey
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Finding Serenity After Trauma: Steve's Journey

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Steve shares a remarkable story of resilience and recovery after a shocking shooting incident during his 23 years of sobriety. He reflects on how the principles of Alcoholics Anonymous – faith, fellowship, and service – helped him remain calm and focus on the needs of others, even while facing a life-threatening situation, and ultimately navigate a subsequent heart condition.

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Now, I would like to introduce our main speaker, Steve L.

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Steve L, Alcoholic.

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It's good to be here.

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It's good to be sober if you're new.

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Welcome to Alcoholics Anonymous.

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And I think there were a couple hands that I saw that raised as new.

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And I want to thank Oscar for inviting me to share.

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It's always an honor and privilege to share.

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And thank you.

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And I enjoyed Sean and Nancy.

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I enjoyed the 10-minute talks.

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That's great.

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And one of the reasons why I like to say that I appreciate being here is because that became

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a little bit more evident to me a few years ago.

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Because what happened, my sobriety day is July 27th, 1996.

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So I've been sober 23 years.

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And shortly before my 20th birthday in May of 2016, I got shot.

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Now, I've been shot before.

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I was in the Army.

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And I got shot when I was in Beirut.

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I was in Special Forces.

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But my team sergeant at the time was totally unimpressed with it.

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He's a Scottish guy.

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And he was like, flam.

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This is a mere flesh wound.

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It was a through and through.

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It was no big deal.

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But this time in May of 2016, when I got shot, I got shot in the chest.

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And what happened was I was up in Badger, California, which is right outside of Sequoia

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National Park.

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It's a beautiful area at the Seven Circles Retreat Center.

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And I had had breakfast.

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It was a Saturday morning.

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And I was back in the cabin.

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I was sitting on my bed, minding my own business.

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And there was a gentleman upstairs from me that decided it was the right time to clear

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his Glock 9mm weapon, which is no big deal other than the fact that instead of removing

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a round from the chamber, he jacked a round into the chamber.

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And then when he fired it, he shot the floor that he was on, which was the ceiling above

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me.

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The round went through the ceiling and it entered my chest right above my heart, and

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it traveled down and buried right in my sternum.

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Go get your attention, you know.

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And in Alcoholics Anonymous, we talk about serenity and peace of mind.

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But I got to tell you, the first word out of my mouth was not very serene.

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It was a shortened version of fire truck.

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And I kind of, I yelped it, actually.

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And the guy from upstairs comes running downstairs, and he looks at me and goes, what happened?

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Like, you shot me.

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That's what happened.

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And this guy starts absolutely freaking out.

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He is totally freaking out.

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And what I found myself doing is I am trying to calm this guy down.

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Now, I've just been shot.

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I'm trying to calm him down.

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That is all because of Alcoholics Anonymous and the steps.

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Because I got to tell you, I was just coming into my 20th year of sobriety, and if it had

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been 20 years earlier, I'd have been 10 different shades of pissed off.

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I don't know what your idea of a justified resentment is, but I think getting shot should

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be, should be up there, right?

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And I'm trying to calm this guy down.

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And I tell him, look, I said, you got to take me to the hospital, right?

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So, we drive down to Visalia to the Cahuilla Medical Center.

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That's a local medical center.

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And I go into the emergency room.

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I got this bloody towel on my chest, and they're like, can we help you?

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I'm thinking it's pretty obvious, but I said, yeah, I've been shot.

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Now, when you tell them you've been shot, you go right to the head of the line.

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There's a bunch of people in the emergency room that maybe some broken bones and stuff.

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But when you tell them you've been shot, they wheel out the gurney.

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There's 12, 13 people working on me.

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They bring me in.

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They do this overhead x-ray to find the round.

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And then I'm being attended by a cardiothoracic surgeon.

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They hook me up to an EKG, and the cardiothoracic surgeon looks at me, and he goes, you know,

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I don't know how to tell you this.

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This is really bizarre.

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This round is lodged in your sternum, and it's not moving.

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It's embedded in there.

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And apparently, it went right by your heart within millimeters.

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It missed all the arteries.

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I don't know how that happened, but it looks like you're going to stabilize, and we're

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going to release you in a couple of days.

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But we noticed in the EKG, you have this thing called an atrial

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flutter, which is like AFib, atrial fibrillation.

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Your heart is just spasming, which is not that surprising.

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A bullet just went right by it, so it's probably not thrilled with that concept.

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And he said, look, this is not something that is of immediate concern, but you need to see

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a cardiologist when you go back to where you live, because this is the type of thing, if

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you don't pay attention to it, you might need medication.

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You could have a stroke and die.

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So they released me after a few days, and I come down.

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I live in Redondo Beach, California.

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I go to the Torrance Memorial Medical Center.

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I see my doctor, Dr. Carlson.

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He hooks me up to an EKG, and he says, yeah, you've got this thing called an atrial flutter.

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He says, but look, you know, it's not that big a deal.

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We've got this procedure, and what I like to do is I like to do this procedure.

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It's called a cardioversion on you, and it works most of the time.

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And what we're going to do is you've seen, you know, in the movies where they paddle

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somebody, you know, and they shock you.

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Well, that's barbaric.

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We would never do that to you.

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What we're going to do is tape these pads to your chest, and then we're going to hit

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you with a jolt of electricity that will stop your heart.

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We will wait five to seven seconds.

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Then we'll hit you with another jolt of electricity that will restart your heart, and hopefully

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it will be insane.

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So I'm like, you know, I'm not that quick on the uptake, doc, but that sounds like you're

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going to kill me.

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And Dr. Carlson says, no, no, no, no, we don't like to look at it that way.

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You know, it's a medical procedure.

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It's a cardioversion.

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I've done it hundreds of times.

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I'll be attending.

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You'll be in the hospital.

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And by the way, before the procedure, there will be an anesthesiologist, and the anesthesiologist

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will come in and we'll give you something to make you comfortable.

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So I'm an alcoholic.

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I go from you're going to kill me to I'm going to get comfortable.

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Now, it's not that I haven't been comfortable in Alcoholics Anonymous, but I haven't been

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that kind of comfortable in over 20 years, you know?

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And I know this is like a free pass.

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My sponsor will be okay with this.

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So I'm like, okay, doc, let's do it.

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Sign me up.

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Let's go, right?

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So three, four weeks later, I show up at the hospital.

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I got the little gown on.

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They tape the pads to my chest.

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I got an IV in me, and Dr. Carlson's there, and the anesthesiologist walks in, and he's

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got a syringe full of comfortable, and I'm just watching him all the way across the room,

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you know?

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And he gets up to me, and he makes a little small talk, and he injects the comfortable

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into the IV.

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And the next thing I know, Dr. Carlson's leaning over me.

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He goes, how you doing?

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I'm like, I'm good.

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I'm good, doc.

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He goes, well, how do you feel?

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I said, I feel fine.

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I'm ready.

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Let's do it.

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Let's go ahead and do the procedure.

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He goes, no, no, no, we already did the procedure.

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The procedure's over.

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And I immediately went, no, no, no, that ain't right.

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That ain't right.

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You told me I was going to get comfortable.

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So here I am arguing with a doctor about general anesthesia.

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I've only had one sponsor since I've been sober, and he's still alive, thank God.

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But I've had several grand sponsors.

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One of my grand sponsors was a guy named Scott Redman.

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He died a little over 11 years ago.

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And what Scott used to say is that only alcoholics get excited about general anesthesia.

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Because in the old days, and the older people will know this.

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Younger people won't know this.

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But in the old days, what they would do is they would give you general anesthesia, and

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they would tell you to count back from 100.

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And you'd go 100, 99.

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And we live for 99 and 98.

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So we're looking for that.

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But what they did this time is they gave me this stuff called Propothol, which is what

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they gave Michael Jackson.

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They just gave me the correct dose.

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And the problem with Propothol is you're here, and then you're here.

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There's no there.

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There's no 99.

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It's really disappointing, frankly.

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But that's not the point of the reason why I tell the story.

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The reason why I tell the story is because when I got shot, I was on an AA retreat.

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Now, just let that settle in for a little while.

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Yeah.

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Just let that settle in for a little bit, okay?

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Because you read in the 12 and 12 how we're suggested to go on an occasional retreat where

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we can kind of get maybe with a sponsor, maybe do some step work, get some quiet alone time,

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meditate, pray, get away from the worldly clamors, right?

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I'm on an AA retreat, but it's better than that.

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I'm leading the retreat.

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I'd given a talk the night before on unity, which I thought was rather compelling, but

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I don't know if that guy paid attention because he shot me.

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And the evening of the morning when I got shot, that evening, I was scheduled to give

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a talk on acceptance and forgiveness.

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Yeah.

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But the best part, the guy that shot me, I sponsor him.

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Yeah.

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I sponsored him then, I sponsor him now.

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And people are like, well, how can you do that?

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Well, because of forgiveness, which I learned in Alcoholics Anonymous.

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And one of the things that I learned is I made a lot of mistakes before I got here,

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and I've made a lot of mistakes since I've been here.

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And one of the things that happens through the amends process is we're granted and we're

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given and we provide forgiveness.

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And that is an integral part of Alcoholics Anonymous as I see it.

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When I got here, I didn't want to be here.

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I didn't have a felony DUI, but I got popped for a DUI.

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I used to drive drunk all the time.

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I'm the kind of guy that I like to drink beer and chew tequila because beer is like a basic

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food group and tequila is like an accelerant, okay?

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And the way I drink beer and chew tequila is sometimes it's by design, but sometimes

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I just like, my wife sends me out to get milk and I come back three days later.

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You know, I meet somebody like Oscar, we start drinking beer, shoot tequila.

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I used to do this thing called, I thought it was time travel.

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Now I realize it's black and out.

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Okay.

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And, and three days later and I come back, I come back and I'm like, but I stop at the

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store.

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I get the milk.

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I'm like, Hey baby, I got the milk.

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She's not impressed.

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I don't understand that there's a time requirement to the task, you know?

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And I can't, I can't predict when this is going to happen.

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You know, I cannot control and enjoy my drink.

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I cannot drink for a short period of time, but I'm not a happy camper.

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And when I drank, I can't, I can't stop.

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I just, I have no regulator on that whatsoever.

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And I used to drive drunk all the time.

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Finally got popped for a DUI.

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They, they sentenced me to go to Alcoholics Anonymous.

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I come to AA July 27th, 1996.

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That's my sobriety date.

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I didn't want to get sober, stay sober.

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But what happened is I started listening to you tell my story.

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The facts and circumstances were all a little different, but it was the same story.

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It was the same emotions.

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It was the same crap.

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And I, and I could hear it and I didn't like it.

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I didn't like it.

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And there were some older ladies at the meeting that I was going to that would tell me, you

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know, just don't leave before the miracle.

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I'm like, okay, I'm ready.

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Give me the miracle.

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I'm not taking any action.

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I have a lot of activity, but not action.

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Didn't understand the difference.

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People were talking about 90 meetings in 90 days.

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You know, meeting makers make it all of which is good practical advice about activity, but

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it's not about the program of action in the big book.

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There were people that were talking about the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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They were talking about the program, which is a 12 steps.

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They were talking about the big book, which is where you find that.

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They were talking about finding a God or a higher power.

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If you prefer the term of your understanding, which is the point of the exercise.

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And they were talking about a sponsor, which is just a guide.

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That takes you through the process, but I'm not an extra credit guy.

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I'm not drinking.

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Okay.

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I'm I'm like, I, I don't want to get over sober.

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I'm I'm waiting for the miracle, but I'm not taking any action.

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And what happens to me is I go about a hundred days, start craving sober.

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And I'm just, I'm out of my mind.

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I'm going to the meetings.

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I'm a jackass at home.

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I'm a jackass at, at the, at work at meetings.

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I come into meetings and the old timers are looking at me and they're going lamb, just

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sit in the corner.

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And for God's sakes, don't talk to any newcomers because they still have hope.

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You know, it was, it was, it was bad.

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And, uh, I'm a trial lawyer by trade.

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So I got about a hundred days.

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I go back and I'm in Pittsburgh.

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I'm doing some depositions, getting ready for a trial.

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I was supposed to be there all week, but I get done.

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I'm done like Wednesday, Thursday, midday.

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I come back to the hotel room.

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I've got an honor bar, an honor bar.

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I'm an alcoholic.

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I'm a newcomer.

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I have no honor, but they've given me this mini fridge.

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I've got the key to it.

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And it doesn't have everything I want and need in it, but it's a really good start.

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You know, two by two by two there's bourbon, scotch, uh, vodka, no tequila, which was annoying,

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but there's some good stuff in there.

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And if, if you've ever seen the movie flight with Denzel Washington, those honor bars talk

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to you.

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I mean, it's talking to me.

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I'm talking to it.

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I want to drink.

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I, I can taste it.

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I want to drink and, and I'm, I I'm opening and shutting the honor bar.

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I'm inventorying the honor bar.

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I'm arranging the domestics, the imports.

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I get nervous because I'm thinking I'm going to drink.

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So I flip on the television.

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I'm flipping back and forth between religious television and porno, religious television

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and porno.

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And, uh, you too, uh, Oscar.

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Yeah.

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And, and, and, and I'm getting confused as to who's doing what on what station, right?

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Which is, but that's a personal problem.

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And then, and, uh, one of the things that I love the big book, I love the 12 and 12,

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but when I was new, my sponsor had me listen to a series of talks by a guy named Chuck

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Chamberlain.

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The old timers will know about this guy.

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In 1975, he gave a series of talks down in Palo Mesa.

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And, uh, it was at a retreat.

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And when he passed away in the mid eighties, one of his sponsees had it transcribed and

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they put it in a book.

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It's called a new pair of glasses.

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And in this book, it's that conference approved literature.

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It's just one alcoholics, you know, process.

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And he has one drawing, one simple drawing.

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What, what Chuck does is he draws a circle and he puts all the people, plants, and animals

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in the universe inside the circle of life.

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And then he puts life, good God, whatever your concept of a higher power is all inside

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the circle of life.

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And then Chuck draws a stick man outside the circle of life, separate and apart.

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And what keeps that person outside the circle of life is a thin line that he identifies

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his ego or conscious separation from God.

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The 11th step, we're trying to get conscious contact.

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I'm a newcomer.

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I've got conscious separation.

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The 12 and 12 calls it anxious apartness.

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It's a feeling of separation that every alcoholic I've ever talked to has.

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It is the grand illusion.

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It is the big delusion.

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It's not true.

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It's actually physically and spiritually impossible to be outside the circle of life.

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And the better reality is there's not an edge to the circle.

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But until I do the steps, I can't see that.

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I'm just out of my mind.

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But for whatever reason, I don't drink.

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You can call it the dumb luck of the alcoholic.

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Norm Alpe used to call it seconds and inches.

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I believe it's the grace of God, but I would not have used that term back then.

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I go downstairs.

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I drive out to the airport.

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I fly home.

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I get up the next morning, and I've got a newcomer plan because I've had time to think

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on the plane.

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And my newcomer, I'm thinking it's a good plan.

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Like I said, I was in the army for 13 and a half years.

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I went through airborne school, ranger school.

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I went over to Korea for a year.

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They then sent me through special forces selection and assessment.

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I served as a Green Beret for several years.

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They picked me up to go to law school.

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I went to law school at University of Southern California.

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Went back to special operations command at Fort Bragg.

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Wound up at the 82nd Airborne Division for a while.

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My last job was as a JAG in the Pentagon.

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My job was I was the intelligence oversight advisor for the United States Army, which

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should concern you.

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And when I got out in 1993, I'd had some stuff that I'd acquired.

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I had a kit bag.

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I had a go bag.

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I had some weapons and some demo and 13 passports.

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And these passports had my photograph, different names, different countries on them.

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And I'd kept this stuff.

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And in 1993, when I got out of the army, I didn't even turn it in.

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I didn't even think about it as stealing.

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I just thought this might come in handy one day, right?

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And today's the day.

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So I'm laying this stuff out.

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My newcomer plan is this.

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I'm going to take my blue tourist passport, my legitimate passport, the one that everybody

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should have, that's got my name and my photograph on it.

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And I'm going to fly to British Columbia.

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It's important to leave the country on your name.

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When I get to British Columbia, I'm going to start heading east.

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I'm going to go to Europe for a week or two.

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I'm going to start flipping passports, flipping identities, come back to British Columbia.

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Steve Lamb will cease to exist.

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Now, I got a wife.

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I got a daughter.

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But it's a career move.

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So I don't really consult with them.

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You know what I'm saying?

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And then my plan is I'm going to head down to Costa Rica because I've got some former

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army associates of mine that are doing some marketing and distribution down in Costa Rica.

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That's my newcomer plan, right?

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So I lay all this stuff out.

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And the 13 passports I should have turned in in 1993, they're current.

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They have not expired.

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But my blue tourist passport has expired.

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So I'm just beside myself.

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I'm out of my mind.

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Now, the bizarre thing is this.

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I'm relatively well educated.

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The army sent me to law school.

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They sent me to get an LLM, a master of law.

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It's right next to the University of Virginia.

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I'm licensed to practice before the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

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But that particular morning in the fall of 1996, I did not have the synaptic capacity.

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I didn't have the brainpower to realize this is pre-911.

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I could have flown to British Columbia on my driver's license.

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I didn't need a passport.

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But for some reason, I'm thinking I can't execute my seemingly brilliant plan.

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So I didn't know what to do.

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I went to a meeting.

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I met a guy.

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I met another guy.

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I wound up getting assigned a sponsor.

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And my sponsor, Michael, told me to get the big book and the 12 in 12, to read the first

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chapter of the 12.

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12 in 12 on the first step.

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And to read the big book from the very beginning through the doctor's opinion.

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To highlight it.

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To make notes if I had questions or disagreed or agreed with certain things.

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And that I was supposed to show up Monday night, 6 30, and we would go over it.

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Fine.

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So I do the homework, right?

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And I show up at his house.

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And he tells me a little bit about himself, asks me some questions about myself.

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I tell him about my stupid plan, my newcomer plan.

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And then he says, okay, get your big book out.

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Open your big book.

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I open it.

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He says, okay, let's start reading.

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I'm like, no, no, no.

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I read it.

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He goes, no, no, start reading.

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I go, no, no, I read it.

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He goes, no, start reading.

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What we're going to do is I'm going to read a paragraph or two.

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You're going to read a paragraph or two.

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We're going to talk about it.

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We're going to go through this, how we do this.

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And I'm thinking, this is pathetic, you know?

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But I don't want to embarrass him, right?

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So I start this process.

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And what happened was when we got to a prayer, we said the prayer.

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And when we got to a step, we worked the step.

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And it saved my life.

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And I was absolutely convinced it would not work.

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And if you're new and you're thinking it's not going to work, we don't really care what

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you think, okay?

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And I'm not trying to be mean or cruel.

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I'm just saying, we're just assuming you have a bad thought pattern.

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Because we all did.

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I've never met anybody that's come up and looked at the 12 steps up on the wall and

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gone, thank God.

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I've been waiting my whole life for this.

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Alex, will you take me through the steps?

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No, we don't do that.

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We look at that.

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We're like, are you kidding me?

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Really?

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What does it have to do with my complex set of social issues?

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I see that fourth and fifth step.

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There's apparently some confession involved.

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And then that's not bad enough.

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There's eight and nine.

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We're going to have to...

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I understand there's rest...

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I'm not stupid.

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I know it's their money.

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But I've been hanging on to it for a long time, okay?

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And some of them don't even know I've got their money.

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So I don't know how that's going to have anything to do with me getting sober.

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And there's a lot of stuff about God in there.

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That seems like over the top.

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I mean, do we really need to do that?

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None of this makes sense looking forward.

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It only makes sense looking backwards after you've done it.

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Because Alcoholics Anonymous is experiential.

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You're going to have your experience.

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It's not mine, not your sponsors, but your experience.

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And I got that through working the steps.

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And I got to tell you, I want to talk about some of the steps in particular.

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Because I find we've got some new people.

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And a lot of times there's some confusion.

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People will think, for example, in the fourth step,

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oh my God, that's just going to take forever.

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A couple of things.

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I'm not an authority in Alcoholics Anonymous.

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I wasn't appointed.

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I wasn't anointed.

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This is just this alcoholic talking about his experience.

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Whatever you're doing, whatever your sponsors have and you do,

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that's what you need to do.

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But I got to tell you, it's really simple.

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I'm kind of a wordsmith.

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I'm an arguer.

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I'm a pain in the butt.

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So my sponsor took me to page 65 in the big book.

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That's where the columns are.

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And he said, look, you'll notice that they're not even complete sentences.

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It's almost like bullet points.

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You only need a few words for each of these columns.

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We need the resentment.

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Who you're resentful at.

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Two or three words.

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What is the cause?

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Two or three words.

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That's the second column.

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The third column is how it affects you or what the condition is.

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Is it self-esteem, pocketbook, ambition, security, personal relations, sex relations?

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Just get it down on paper.

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And then he said, I want a fourth column.

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There's not a fourth column in the book.

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But if you look on page 67, it says, referring back to our list,

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we're going to identify mistake, fault, and blame.

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He said, it doesn't say my part.

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You hear a lot of people in Alcoholics Anonymous say, fourth column, my part, my part, my part.

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Perfectly good shorthand, but that's not what it says.

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I don't want you to think of it that way because sometimes people think they have to have a part

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or a mistake, fault, and blame in both the second column and the third column.

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We always have it in the third column, not necessarily in the second column.

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I have no idea what he's talking about.

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I'm just trying to follow directions.

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He gives me the instructions on the fear inventory, sexual misconduct inventory, turns

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me loose.

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So it should take me a couple weeks.

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It took me five weeks, two or three weeks to think about it, and two or three weeks

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to do it.

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Because like the big book says, it's simple but not easy.

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The simple is the black part, the instructions.

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The not easy part is me and my ego, which tries to separate me from you and from God

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and keep me from doing the work.

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So I finally get the work done.

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I show up at his house.

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I'm going to do a fifth step.

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And for the new people, I'm going to tell you the first person on my inventory, just

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so you understand how simple this can be.

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First column.

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I'm resentful at two words, my father.

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Second column.

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The cause, two words, deserted me.

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Now, like the book says, Michael's prepared for a long talk.

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He asked me some questions.

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I explained to him I'm four or five years old.

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I'm living in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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It's the early 60s.

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My father's in the Air Force.

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He goes to Vietnam.

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He doesn't die there.

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He just stays there for, I don't know, eight, 10, 12 years.

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He does a couple tours in the Air Force.

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He winds up joining an outfit called Air America.

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He meets a Thai woman, Lien Thong, my stepmother, marries her, apparently before he divorces

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my mom.

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I've never met Lien Thong, and I've got a half-sister, Peck.

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I've never met her either.

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And I've hardly heard from my father for three decades.

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Deserted me.

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Third column.

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What does it affect?

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Everything.

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Self-esteem, pocketbook, security, ambition, personal relations, sex relations.

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I mean, other than that, things are going pretty good, you know?

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And what's my mistake, fault, or blame?

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I don't have any in relation to the cause.

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I'm four or five.

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I didn't cause him to go to Vietnam.

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I didn't have anything to do with that.

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What about the condition?

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What defect of character do I have if God were to remove it, I would no longer have this

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resentment?

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Because like the book says, it's the number one offender.

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And if you think that that's hyperbolic and just grandiose and people are just talking,

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that's what I thought when I was new.

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But these rooms are littered with empty chairs from people that had resentments that went

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out and or died because they didn't resolve.

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It's unbelievably fatal.

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Because what we do is we take these resentments home.

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We water them.

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We nurture them.

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I have a guy that I sponsored for a number of years that we just had a memorial service

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because he could not get over a resentment.

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And he had a lot of physical problems to include high blood pressure.

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And it went.

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It got him.

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He got him.

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He had a stroke.

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He died.

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You know, he was just grinding, grinding, grinding, grinding.

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He wouldn't let it go.

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Wouldn't make amends.

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Wouldn't do it.

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Couldn't do it.

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I don't know.

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So what defect of character do I have?

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Am I selfish, self-centered, self-seeking, dishonest?

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I don't think that really applies.

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How about in the 12 in 12, it talks about the seven deadly sins.

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Pride, greed, lust, anger, gluttony, envy, sloth.

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I was angry as a little kid.

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I'm still pretty pissed off.

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So I write down anger.

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Fear.

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I have a lot of fear.

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What does the fear look like?

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I loved my father.

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And in my mind, that gave him a certain amount of power.

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And he abused that.

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And I can never let that happen again.

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There has to be a wall of insulation between me and you and you and me because it's not safe.

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So what I've done is I've constructed these barriers.

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The part of the big book that talks about the actor, I love that because I was under

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the misimpression that if you didn't really know who I was, you couldn't hurt me.

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That's not true.

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But that's how I'm operating.

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You know, this false sense of security and self.

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And what's happening is it's not good for marital relations,

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relationship with friends, with anybody, but it's all I get.

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It's fear-based.

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It's totally fear-based.

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And then finally, like it says on the bottom of 66 and on to 67,

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I am unwilling to say the prayer to the sick man about my father.

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I'm unwilling to view him as a child of God who could be spiritually sick like me.

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I'm unwilling to forgive him.

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So I read this to Michael and I'm getting ready to go on to the next person,

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who coincidentally is mom.

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And Michael stops me.

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He says, look, I got some questions.

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I want to make sure I understand this.

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I'm like, all right.

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He goes, you resentful at your father, right?

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I said, yeah, because if I understand this correctly,

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he deserted you.

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You've got some residual anger, a lot of fear, and you do not want to forgive your father.

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I'm like, yeah, that's right, Michael.

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And I've read ahead.

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I know there's a night step.

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Never going to happen.

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Not going to happen.

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He laughed at me.

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He goes, well, we're just doing five right now, but I got to tell you, we're going to get to that.

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I do have one more question.

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I'm like, well, what is that?

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He said, well, if I understand you correctly, when you came to me, you had this newcomer plan.

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You were going to go to Costa Rica, you had these passports, and you've got a wife,

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you've got a daughter.

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You didn't say you were going to desert him, but is there really a difference between what

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you were planning on doing and what your father actually did?

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My first thought was, this is not going the way I thought it was going to go at all.

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And I put my head down and I muttered something like, well, I mean, if you look at it that way.

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And if you're new, that's why in the fifth step, we admit to God,

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to ourselves, and to another human being.

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Because I can't see me for who I am.

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I can't see that I've become my father, the one thing that I didn't want to become.

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I need this person, this sponsor, to act as a mirror and reflect me back to me.

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And it's not a habit.

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It's a happy occasion.

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You know, I'm not really thrilled about this.

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I go through, I read the rest of the inventory, I do the fear inventory,

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the sexual misconduct inventory.

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I go home, I get quiet, I review what I've done.

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I flip the page.

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I got to do six and seven.

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Six is a lot about a willingness.

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Seven is a lot about humility.

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Now I got to write this eight step list.

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And what Michael wants me to do is, because he doesn't trust me, to list the proposed

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amends.

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So I get this done.

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It takes me a few weeks.

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I show up at his house and he says, okay, let me see the list.

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He's like, he's looking at the list.

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He goes, uh, your father's not on the list.

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I'm like, yeah, that's right.

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I mean, I just told you a couple of weeks ago.

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It's not going to happen.

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He goes, well, do you think you're any better than your father?

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I said, no, Michael.

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And thanks for pointing that out to me.

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I really appreciate that.

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And he goes, you know, a lot of times at the end of the meeting, we say this thing called

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the Lord's Prayer.

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There's a, there's a phrase in the Lord's Prayer goes like this, forgive us our trespasses

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as we forgive those who trespass against us.

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What do you think that means?

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I think it's a damn trick question.

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That's, you know, cause it's a spiritual truth.

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It's a maximum only forgiven to the extent that I forgive.

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And the 11th step prayer on page 99 and the 12 and 12, it talks about it is through forgiving

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that we're forgiven.

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I, you know, I can agree with all that.

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He's like, well, can you do it?

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I'm like, hell no, I'm not doing no way.

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He goes, well, the eighth step is a lot about willingness too.

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Are you willing to pray for the willingness?

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He says, yeah.

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Okay.

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Whatever.

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He goes, okay, you pray, I'll pray.

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But meantime, start making amends.

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So I start paying back some of the money.

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I'm acting better at work.

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I'm trying to make, uh, you know, uh, prompt demands.

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And by the way, when I was new prompt was like two or three weeks, that timeframe compresses

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as you get more time.

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I make amends to my wife.

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I'm back in the big bed.

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I don't quite have the crossover privileges that I think I deserve, but you know, things

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are, things are going better, right?

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I'm doing an active 10 step.

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Uh, I'm, I'm working on the 11th step.

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I'm trying to pray and meditate and get into this contact with this thing that I don't

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really understand.

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And, uh, uh, in 12, I'm trying to practice the principles and all my affairs and I'm

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carrying the message.

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I got guys that are coming to me.

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I'm, I'm taking them through the steps or they're getting cakes or get, but I'm not

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making amends to my father.

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Not happening.

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This goes on for a few years.

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And, uh, I talked to my sponsor all the time and I, and I told him, I said, Michael, I'm,

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I'm, I'm not going to make it to the Monday night.

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My home group is there.

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Most of each men's tag.

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I won't be there this, this week because I'm going up to Anchorage, Alaska.

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I'm doing some depositions.

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I'm just letting him know what's going on, right?

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He lights up like a Christmas tree goes, oh, that's great.

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You'll make amends to your father.

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I had forgotten that I told him my father lived in Wasilla, Alaska, which is like 30

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miles outside of Anchorage.

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So now I can see that my sponsor's connecting two unrelated dots.

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So I'm, I'm like waving them off.

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I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

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I'm just going to do deposition.

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It has nothing to do with my father.

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He goes, no, no, no, no.

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You've been praying.

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I've been praying.

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God's talking.

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Can't you hear him?

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I'm like, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I don't, I don't get the memo at all.

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He goes, look, you get quiet every morning, praying, meditate, talk to God.

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So I go through this process every three, four, five days.

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What comes to me is I should do this.

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I should.

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Okay.

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So I go to Michael.

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I said, all right, I'll do it.

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What do I do?

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He looks at me.

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He goes, I don't know.

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I'm not going up there.

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Talk to God.

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I'm like, I know you're killing me.

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Right.

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And so I call my father.

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He says, he'll see me.

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I fly up there.

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I don't know what I'm going to do, but I have this feeling.

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It'll be okay.

25:12

I walked through the airport.

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I go through the terminal.

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I see my father.

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He's older than I remember.

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You know, and I, and I, and I get up to him.

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And one of the things that I, I hate it when I first got here, there was a lot of handholding,

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hug, hug crap.

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And by the way, it was for where I live, where I go to meetings, it was never the supermodels.

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It was always the biker dudes with three days worth of stubble.

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Come here, man.

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I love you, man.

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I'm like, no, I'm good.

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I'm good.

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Really?

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No, I'm okay.

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You know?

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And I didn't like that physical contact for a long time because I didn't understand it.

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It made me nervous.

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But when I got up with my father, I just grabbed him and I hugged him and he buried his head

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in my shoulder and he cried and I cried and forgiveness occurred.

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And all I had to do was show up and get out of the way.

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And if it doesn't make any sense to you, it's just because you haven't gone through the

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process yet.

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None of this stuff makes sense.

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Looking forward.

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It's always looking back.

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You know, we pray for guidance and direction and, and I'm sure that there's maybe people

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in here have had God talk to him.

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I mean, I'm sure it happens, but that's not usually what happens.

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What happens is we talk about a spiritual awakening.

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We stay awake.

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We stay alert.

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We're at a meeting.

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There's somebody that's talking.

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I don't even like this guy.

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He says the same damn thing every time.

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I know that.

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But if I pay attention, maybe the answer to my problem will be in what he says.

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Or I'm at the grocery store and there's two kids arguing by the candy counter and mom

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is telling them something and I got to pay attention.

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I got to pay attention right here, right now.

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That's what it's all about.

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When we talk about a day at a time, we don't mean just a physical day.

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We talk about being right here, right now and aware.

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And one of the things that happens when you're new is after you go through this process,

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you'll have this talk.

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I'm afraid where you'll go outside and you'll realize, oh my God, the sun is shining.

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I see the clouds.

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I smell the air.

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I remember I was driving.

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I live by the ocean.

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I drove by the ocean and it dawned on me.

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People come here and go to vacation.

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Who knew I've been here for over a decade because I don't see it.

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I don't see it.

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My perception is off.

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And so we go through this process and healing occurs.

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I go back and things get better with a wife.

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Who knew?

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Who knew there's a relationship with all this stuff that we cannot see until we're looking

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back and I'm going through this process.

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And I got to tell you, just so you understand the nature of it.

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And so that there's no misconception about my level of spirituality.

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I'm going to tell you about the huge resentment I had against my wife.

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And now you're going to sit there and think this is stupid and shallow, but that's because

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it didn't happen to you.

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Okay.

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What happened to me is I got two or three years sober, right?

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And I'm a man of God.

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I got, I'm taking guys through the steps and my wife does not appreciate all the hard work

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that I've done for us.

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She doesn't.

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And I know this because what she does is she takes the trash and recycling every night

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and she puts it on the stoop.

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So yeah, I'm big and I'm in the big bed, but I'm clearly not restored to full husband status.

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And I am pissed.

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I take the trash recycling.

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I put it in there.

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I write inventory.

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I talked to Michael about it.

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I'm reading in the inventory and he, he stops and he goes, look, wait a minute.

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Have you talked to your wife about this?

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I'm like, well, no, I haven't.

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He goes, well, don't you think maybe you should talk to her?

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You might, you might have a misperception here.

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And I looked at him.

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I said, look, I've been married now for 35 years, a little time off for bad behavior,

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but we're not going to go into that tonight.

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And, uh, at the time had been over a decade.

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And I told Michael with a straight face, I said, Michael, I've been married for over

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a decade.

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I know what my wife's thinking before she even thinks it.

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He goes, really?

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We call that mind reading.

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It's a rather significant character defect, but if you're not willing to accept that and

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look at that, then you're going to have to talk to God because you need to be getting

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rid of this resentment.

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You need to pray and meditate.

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So I'm praying and meditating.

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I'm asking for direction.

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I'm picking up trash.

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I'm just pissed.

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And what comes to me after a few months is patience, tolerance, love, and understanding.

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It's all over the big book.

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People are talking about it in the meetings, but I can't hear it for a number of months.

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This is one of the weird dynamics about Alcoholics Anonymous.

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One of the things I've realized is I can be working with a guy and telling him about amends

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or prayer or inventory or whatever it is for months.

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He won't do it.

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He won't do it.

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And then we'll go to a meeting like tonight and some chucklehead like me will get up there

29:05

and talk about it.

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We'll go out for pie or coffee and he'll go, you know, I heard that guy talking about,

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I think I'm going to try that.

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I'm thinking, oh man, I've been talking about this for six months.

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Why does it happen that way?

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I have no idea.

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But it does.

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It does.

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We only hear it when we hear it.

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That's why we repeat chapter five almost every meeting you go to because we're a little dense.

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I'm not judging you.

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I'm talking about me.

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So, you know, I pray for patience, tolerance, love, and understanding, and I get it.

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I got it.

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I got the trash recycling.

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I'm good.

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I'm not writing inventory anymore.

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I twitch every once in a while, but I'm good.

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I'm good.

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I'm good.

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And by the way, because I'm such a spiritual giant, I'm telling all the guys that I sponsor

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what great work I've done working through this resentment because I want them to appreciate

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the value of Alcoholics Anonymous, right?

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This goes on for seven or eight years.

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We get a dog, Zoe, golden retriever.

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She just passed away a little while ago, but this dog was a great dog and I would take

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her for a walk in the morning and she'd poop.

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I'd put it in a bag.

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I would throw it in the trash.

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But on nights like tonight, she'd go in the backyard, she would poop and my wife would

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put it in a bag.

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But would she put it in the trash?

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No.

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She'd put it with the trash and recycling on the stoop.

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So I'm a man of God, but now I got dog crap.

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I got dog crap, Michael.

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I got dog crap.

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She's putting dog crap on the stoop.

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I know what this means.

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Have you talked to her about it?

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No, I have not talked to her about it.

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Well, you're going to have to talk to God.

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You're going to have to pray.

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And I pray.

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Same thing.

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Patience, tolerance, love, and I pray for it.

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I got it.

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Good.

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I'm a man of God.

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I got it.

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No problem.

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And I'm telling all the guys what great work I've done working through this resentment.

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This goes on for another seven or eight years.

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Several years ago, I go out the front door instead of the side door.

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The side door is where the stoop is.

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I go out the front door.

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I do not get the trash recycling and poop.

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I go to work.

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It's a Monday.

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My home group meets at Hermosa Beach, 830 to 10.

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I get to work.

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I realize I did not get the trash recycling.

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It's my job.

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I feel guilty.

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And I know I got to make amends before I go to the meeting.

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So I go home.

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I'm having dinner with the wife and the girls.

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I wait.

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I say, Lynn.

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My wife's name is Lynn.

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Lynn, you probably noticed I did not get the trash recycling and poop this morning.

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I went out the front door instead of the side door.

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I know it's my job.

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I apologize.

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I'll do better next time.

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She's like, what?

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So I'm a man of God.

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But you know, this is, you know, I want to get credit for this crap, right?

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And so I like, but I've been taught to pause when agitated.

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So I slowed down a little bit.

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I said, baby, you know, the trash recycling and poop, you know, it's my job.

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I've been doing it for over a decade and I forgot.

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I didn't get it this morning.

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I apologize.

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I'll do better.

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She's like, what are you talking about?

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So now my head's like a rotisserie, right?

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I'm just like, this is unbelievable.

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So I slow down and I talk to her real slow.

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And by the way, little hint guys, they love it when you talk to them real slow.

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That just really impresses them, you know?

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So I go through the whole thing again, real slow.

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And she looks at me.

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She gives me that look like you've been drinking, you know?

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And she says, she says, Steve, you know, we, we got, uh, we got raccoons and possums out

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by the trash and recycling.

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We've even had coyotes that have come down from Palos Verdes.

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They've taken some of the small dogs and cats.

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And.

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It's kind of creepy out there at night.

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I don't go out there at night.

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Cause it makes me nervous.

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So I put the trash recycling and poop on the stoop every night.

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I figure I'll get it in the morning or the girls will get it or you'll get it, but I

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don't, I don't leave it there for you.

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So now I realize I've had this resentment that I've worked at for, I don't know, 15,

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16, 17 years.

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It has no basis in fact whatsoever.

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So I look at my wife cause I'm a spiritual giant.

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I go, love you, babe.

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I gotta go.

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Cause I can't talk to her about this, right?

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I'm going to go to the home group cause they'll, they'll have sympathy, right?

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So I go to the home group.

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I'm talking to Bill C, my sponsor, Michael.

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I tell them they think it's hilarious.

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They take me around.

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They, they want, Hey, all the, all the new guys.

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Hey lamb, tell them what you did.

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Tell them what 17 years of sobriety looks like.

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No, no, no.

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Don't leave out that detail.

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Tell them everything.

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Tell them what you did.

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And I'm thinking, oh my God.

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And Michael's laughing at me.

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He goes, lamb.

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That's why we call it a delusion.

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And he had told, I forgot.

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He told me a long time ago that a lot of times you hear people get up at

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podiums like this and talk about denial.

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And it's not that alcoholics don't suffer from denial, but you're not going to find

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that word in the big book or in the 12 and 12, uh, certainly not in the first 164 pages.

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There's, there's now a story in the fourth edition called crossing the river denial,

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but denial is really a treatment center or rehab term.

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Uh, what it means is I know the truth, but I like the lie.

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And I'm trying to convince you the lie.

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You may or may not know the lie.

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Delusion is you all know the truth.

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I didn't get the memo.

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I don't know.

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I think it's real.

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You know, I'm full of crap.

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It's much more insidious.

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It's much more dangerous.

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Then denial.

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And so he's laughing at me and he, and he goes, well, there's good news and bad news.

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I'm like, well, what's the bad news?

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He goes, well, the bad news is it never ends.

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I'm like, okay, well, what's the good news?

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Well, the good news is this is Alcoholics Anonymous.

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There's not always, there's always something to do and there's somebody to do it with.

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And if you're new, I hope you find that person tonight.

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Cause I gotta tell you, I like to think of Alcoholics Anonymous as God's amusement park.

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Bear with me for this.

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Okay.

33:35

You're in the amusement park.

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You've paid the price of admission.

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It's a really steep price.

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Nobody asked you if you wanted to pay.

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You've got alcoholism.

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So alcoholism reached up into your soul and you paid the price.

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Now you can, you can leave the park anytime you want to, but there's no in and out privileges.

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You'll have to pay another admission price.

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And it may be too steep.

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You may not be able to make it back in, but once you're in the park, you can do whatever

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you want.

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You can hang around.

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You can walk through the park.

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You can go to meetings like this in the park.

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But you'll notice that there's in the park, there's, there's these 12 rides.

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We call them the steps.

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And there's, there's, there's men and women that are standing by.

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These rides and they're like, come on, come on, take the ride.

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You don't have to take the ride.

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It's just a suggestion.

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But if you take the ride with one of these men or women, they'll tell you when to throw

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your hands up in the air and laugh and yell and holler.

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And they'll also tell you when to duck and cover because you'll need to do that in both

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instances when you take the steps.

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And if you go through that process and you go through all those 12 rides, what you're

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going to find is that what you're going to want to do is you're going to want to stay

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in the park and you're going to hang out by the rides and you're going to want to encourage

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other people to take the rides.

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And if you're new, I really hope you take the ride.

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Thanks for having me.