Finding Comfort in Discomfort: A Newcomer's Guide to AA
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Finding Comfort in Discomfort: A Newcomer's Guide to AA

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A speaker challenges new members to embrace the uncomfortable, make AA the top priority, and share their struggles openly. They contrast the supportive AA environment with other institutions that label you an alcoholic, and describe the harsh physical and emotional realities of early sobriety.

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look around you come on there's nothing to get here folks you know the only thing you're gonna

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get here if you're new is be prepared to be divinely in convenience for the rest of your

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damn life you know because this is the longest thing i've ever done against my will my entire

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life right which is why it works so well nothing to do with convenience everything to do with uh

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doing the uncomfortable to get comfortable really you know and i've never been comfortable i've

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never had peace of mind now i know how to feel good because all that takes is a little something

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out there and put it in here but i've never had that peace of mind that peace of mind that you

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get if you're new that no matter what's going on around you within you next to you down the street

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you're okay right here you're all right all right here and you know why that is because the most

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important thing in your life is Alcoholics Anonymous you make that the most important

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thing in your life your primary purpose and everything else will fall into place but the

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moment you start pecking around your personal life and trying to move that around to make you feel

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good before you know it AA is down five or six down on the ladder and you just become too busy

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to give thanks to the thing that saved your life you know so if you're new i i hope you find a

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sponsor i know i know if you're new you've got something about you that makes you feel different

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i know there's something going on with you that you have used to separate yourself from everybody

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that you're around and if you're new in Alcoholics Anonymous that's perfectly normal to have something

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to make you feel different which is dangerous is when you don't tell anybody about it and then it

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starts growing like a chia pet if you're like me you know what i mean find somebody in this room

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come back here again find a couple folks you can talk to and let them in on the secret because i

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guarantee you one thing you don't have anything in that head that's going to shock us there is

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nothing that you've done that's going to shock the people in this room believe me if it hasn't

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been done by the folks in the first four rows it just haven't been thought of yet you know what i

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mean you are not going to shock the people in AA you know we're here to help you and our magic word

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here is identification identification that's what makes this room completely different than any room

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i've ever sat in and if you're like me and a couple the other folks in here we spent a lifetime

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sitting in rooms you know and all of them trying to talk us into something all of us they all these

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rooms from the time i was 13 to the time i was 30 i sat in rooms from the state and the county and

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the government and churches and hospitals and everybody had diplomas and stuff like that and

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everybody had just volumes of data about what's wrong with me they had pictures of my fat feet

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and my chunky liver and you know and every one of these rooms were trying to talk me into being an

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alcoholic and they all meant well and thank god they couldn't do that you can't talk people into

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being an alcoholic and suffering from alcoholism you can't and you know what i am so glad because

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they would have robbed you and me of our most divining moment of our lives as we concede to our

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innermost self that we were alcoholics that is the most divining moment that an alcoholic can have

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because for the first time in his life he does the hardest thing that he's ever had to do admit

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defeat it's okay to tell people yeah yeah yeah stuff but when you have to admit to your innermost

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self man i just can't do it no more and yet i'm gonna when you're physically beating your body

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saying no more larry and your head's saying get in the car how do you make that go away

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how do you make it go away when every time you get sober you know of the harmful things you just did

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you know of the things that have just been done to you every time you're sober you've got the

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nightmares and the memories of all the things that have happened to you you've got the experience and

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your body is falling apart every time you're sober your fat liver and your chunky bread that's

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hallucinating and pounding at your head and stuff your fat feet and stuff like that and blood coming

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everywhere you have all the stuff happening to you when you're not drinking you have people in

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your mind and in your life that are begging you not to stop this you know don't continue don't

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drink larry people are begging you yet me and you are the only people when we stop drinking

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that the only thing that not drinking ever squeezes out of our head is that thought that

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this time it's going to be different or in my case the three most deadliest words in my vocabulary

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to this day what's the use what's the use man i've not drank and it's just no use what who am i

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kidding i can't do this and it seems like sobriety drives me to drink and that was the thing that was

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confusing to me and some of the folks in this room growing up is all our lives we've been surrounded

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by well-meaning people well-educated people trying to convince us of the lie and what's that lie the

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lie is simply this if you stop drinking everything will be all right and me and you stop drinking and

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we're not all right and the longer we stay sober the worse we get and running down to the old

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alano club and ain't where are we at incino lake bow there's not a goddamn lake around here there's

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there's a runoff from the shell station you know what i mean that's the only lake they got around

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here you know what i mean lake balboa like it's some exotic place you know shit just say you're

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in the hood just say it man you know this is the only club around here where you got to come

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through the alley to get to it man you know they don't tell you that yeah come on down to the old

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lake balboa club you know you know lake balboa you know plenty of golfing you know yeah shit

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you know plenty of nice restaurants right eight taco trucks on the street up here

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underly underly you know oh yeah if you just stop drinking everything will be all right and we stop

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drinking and we're not all right and we come to these little clubs and we hear these guys with

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these ties on saying stuff like 30 days ago i was on the streets of los angeles now i'm the president

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of the bank of america thank you and i'm going oh my god i came in with that guy right and i just

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don't fit i just don't fit because one more time i'm surrounded by people who are doing what i just

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can't seem to do and that is get their life together god if i could just get my life together

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right well you can but that ain't going to keep you sober most people you'll meet in here are

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having a material experience that ain't going to keep you sober money and property prestige won't

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keep a man's and you'll get them here there's nothing wrong with that but man when you rest

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all your bacon into that now the material life won't keep a guy like me sober something has to

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happen to us as a result of these steps something has to happen to us that can't be done in any

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other way but through these steps or we'd be sitting in that room tonight something has to

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happen to us because we lack the power for it not to and i didn't know what that meant i had no idea

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i couldn't blame my mother and father i had great folks you know i was born in detroit we have real

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lakes come on now you can't even see across the other end of them man you know what i mean and

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you know had great mother and father i just lost my mom not too long ago too and

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god she was a sweet lady man sweet lady little scandinavian lady right and uh and speaking of

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scandinavian here's how smart i am new people i spent the first seven minutes of this meeting

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trying to figure out what no sniveling means i thought it was some kind of german sign or

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something like that i said oh shit it says no sniveling yeah i i'm a lost case man you know

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and my little mom was uh she's a little scandinavian lady and she loved diet pills

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right she loved that speed and so she loved to eat that speed and run around sorting nuts and

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bolts in the garage all night or right raking the neighbor's yard or the park across the street you

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know just a busy lady and always eating that speed and making afghans right you know we had a house

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about the size of this room and she had a little room over there where she could you know do her

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knitting and you could just hear all night just like that like the garment district man eating

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those decks and making shit right just making stuff all kinds of stuff man you know making

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houses out of ice cream sticks and just you know just always a little project you know or out in

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the back light with a flashlight at night doing you know picking weeds and stuff like that i

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didn't know i met my first tweaker you know my reference point to when i got older man and as

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some of you new guys know and some of the old guys that when you eat enough speed you have a lot of

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hobbies am i right right you ain't got a real tooth in your head young man do you and uh and

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when you have a lot of hobbies hey me neither you know what but when you make the amends your teeth

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grow back they do every one of them man there's a miracle here right and so my mom loved to eat

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that speed and one of her favorite hobbies uh was uh to make these huge jigsaw puzzles right

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not the 10 000 pieces or the 30 000 pieces right the 1 million pieces right of the mojave desert

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right no shit this is an exciting oh it's going to be a beige night tonight honey you know and

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she'd go get her prescription filled and get her little stinky proxide she'd put on her hair and

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come home and smoke these raleigh cigarettes you know and uh she'd squeeze in behind that

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little breakfast nook you know and start putting this puzzle together all night and she got a piece

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that didn't fit well she had a big pair of toenail clippers and she snipped that son of a bitch down

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wedge it right in there you know i love my mom dearly to the day she died but i had no idea

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how much damage i did to that lady till i sat with you and another man in this room i had no idea how

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selfish i was oh a little stingy maybe but i had no idea what selfishness meant i had no idea i

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hope i never forget taking that fourth step with you guys now my real date mister is 1882 no

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is may 2nd 1982 that's my sobriety date i'm going to be 38 years old and i'm 68 years old right now

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you bet you baby and uh and man i i remember writing out that four step magic man writing down

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that thing and i would start seeing things about larry that he grabbed as a five-year-old kid

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and still dragging into his adult life and one of those things is what i would do that people who

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who would give me love and attention and affection right and it started with my mom and it worked its

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way out and what i would do with that sweet little lady is i would play her like a fiddle that there

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would never be a time too inconvenient or an age too old for me not to put the tap on that young

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lady and i never want to forget that i never want to forget and hell the older i got the more i did

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it i didn't do it for one you know lost weekend or something like that you know i never want to

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forget that i never want to forget what it was like to be 17 years old and be put away for a

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small period of time and and when you come out you're supposed to go to the courthouse and stuff

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and the bus lets you out and you're supposed to go in there and i run off into the neighborhood

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and i don't come out till i'm thursday it dropped off on monday and i come back out of thursday and

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i don't show up at home or anything like that no i show up at my mom's place of business she's

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working at a dry cleaners during the week and she's cleaning people's houses on the weekend

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and i make fun of her and i'm ashamed of her but i'm not too ashamed to show up unannounced at

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eight o'clock in the morning with my filth and my mud and my disgust and as wino joe used to call

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the have limits of despair and i'm standing in this parking lot and i'm about i don't know 30

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yards away man and it's coming down rain and the rain's coming down and i'm hiding behind a parked

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car waiting for the last customer to come out of her place and that last customer comes out and i

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start walking through that water and i can see my bare feet and the blood on them and stuff like that

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and i'm walking through that little water and i open up that door of the dry cleaners and that

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brass bell hits that glass door and my mom turns around and makes that oh so familiar sound oh my

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god larry what's happened to you and she goes over to her desk and she grabs her wallet and pulls out

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one or two or three dollars and i grab that money and i run off to wilmington where i'm going to die

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now the thing that brings it home to me tonight out here in lake balboa pocino lake cochino right

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is you take the same man you take the same man new and alcoholics anonymous with my so-called

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desperation and willing to go to any length and i need to ask you new guys something how come when

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my life depends on it if you were to put the secretary of that meeting that same distance is

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me and my mom in that parking lot how come when my life depends on it i can't walk that same distance

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and that's the secretary for a job in a meeting that's going to save my life but i can walk that

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distance and use folks like my mom time and time and time again and i'm here to share with you that

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it's been my experience and that's all i have that if my alcoholism doesn't kill me my selfishness and

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my self-centeredness will make no mistake about that which is why it's necessary for a man with

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close to 38 years to have a home group a routine of meetings and a job in every one of them and

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it's not so i can run off to lake cochino and tell you about it but it's for one reason and one

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reason only i will never get so sober that i can't get drunk again but i can get so drunk that i

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can't make it back and i never want to forget what i used to be like i never want to forget what

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happened to me and what i'm like today i never want to forget what it's like to know that the

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answer's in here and i'm out there i never want to forget what it was like from 75 to 82 to be going

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to all these meetings in the los angeles area peering through these little doors like that

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looking at these meetings wishing that i could be in the middle of this thing because i knew you had

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something here i knew you had something here and i knew i was too different to be in here because

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you guys were talking about just putting the plug in the jug and everything is wonderful and i put

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the plug in the jug and then the gun in my throat is today today i'm gonna jump in front of the bus

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be sitting there on that bus stop on pacific coast highway in west rock and waiting for the 176 to

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come by stone cold sober is today the day see that's what it's like when i'm not drinking and

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the longer i drink the worse it gets and the trouble with my life and most of the people in

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here is that i kept coming to i kept having to wake up and do that stuff again and again and again

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knowing that it's always going to be the same yet i don't have the power not to oh i have i have sworn

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off forever many a day i can't do it today i can't do it today it's my grandfather's funeral i can't

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do it today i got a court day i can't do it today and you pound on that little floor that motel or

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in that alley and by 11 o'clock in the afternoon you're at eddie's liquor store looking for that

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half pint of 10 high how do you make that go away i lack the power now my daddy was a happy drunk my

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dad was a happy singing the blues nat king cole bobbie darren drunk my old man used to get drunk

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and snooped and sneak into his own house he was a window climbing alky which i believe is a lost

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art in alcoholics anonymous that old fart standing on that gas meter pounding on that window all

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night getting ready to make the magic dive you know over the toilet or the sink you know hoping

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that it's his own home right but he was a refinery worker and he was always coming home at different

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hours and he was a happy drunk man i knew he found something when he was drinking because he was a

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son of a gun when he was sober every he was tossing everybody around you know what i mean

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the only time he would talk to me was when he's kicking the shit out of me you know you son of a

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you know he just and uh i just couldn't trust the people i was man my old man got drunk and

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he snuck into my bedroom window one night and that big old boot comes down on my chest i grabbed that

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boot and i said dad i said you know why don't you have mom make you a set of keys i mean shit she's

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up anyway you know i mean i can't i can hear the hoover going now man just ask her you know she'll

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do it she'll make it with her teeth who knows man you know get out of my window man you know

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coming in through there scaring me half to death and i'm you know i'm i can't sleep anyway you

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know ever since i was five years old i can't sleep my dad come into my bedroom one night through the

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door this time you know he said guess what son you're gonna have a baby brother yeah yeah he

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says your mom's gonna have a baby here in nine months you're gonna have a baby brother man i go

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this is great i start saving up my baseball cards oiling up my gloves thinking about me and that kid

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brother going to the drag races and the beaches and you know beating up my sisters and shit you

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know and it was gonna be great i start planning right nine months later my dad comes into that

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same bedroom he says your baby brother died your mom had it at the hospital she's okay but your

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baby brother died and i did what i always did when i couldn't understand anything i got mad at it

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i ran after the old man with all 80 pounds yelling and screaming and swinging you promised me and

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blame my father for something he was totally powerless over now let me tell you about the

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magic of these amends i hated that man for something he had nothing to do with and i

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introduced my mom and dad to a level of living they never knew existed and here they would work

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in two jobs to provide a life so that their sons and daughters wouldn't have to live like he had to

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live in the depression in world war ii in the streets of detroit and here i sit in that house

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with my sense of entitlement that because i'm somebody's son i deserve all the riches and i

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don't need to lift a finger this would be a defective character that follows me into the

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rooms of alcoholics anonymous that just because i'm sitting in a meeting i don't have to do these

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things that you're getting the peace of mind for i can pretend for an hour and a half there's work

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to be done here for people like me thank god for that and i would be making these amends when i'm

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about 35 years old to my father and i sat him down and i told him about that situation and some other

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ones and my dad was a world war ii vet his ship went down in world war ii was sunken midway his

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father hung himself when or choked on his tongue when he was 13 his mother hung herself in a detroit

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jail and his only dream was to marry my mom and bring her out to california he loved my mom

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sweetly and i started telling him about this and he says i understand son he says but give me a

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couple minutes he says i want to tell you about my life he says i've seen a lot of things and i've

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seen a lot of blood and i've been in a lot of tragedies and he says i want to tell you about

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the hardest day of my life larry the hardest day of my life bar none was the day we lost your baby

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brother he said because for nine months i watched you live a dream i watched you save your little

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baseball cards and i thought you line up all your motel trucks and stuff like that and he says the

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hardest thing for me to do was to know that i was going to have to walk down that hallway and tell

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you that your dream was a nightmare he says i would have hated me too but i cried too and he

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says on that day i believe my god cried too son he says i want you to know about a power greater

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than yourself he says where i come from god don't take people he receives them he's a receiver

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how about that the old man told me that you know but i'm 11 years old i'm running away from home

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i don't fit in i'm supposed to be loving these folks and i don't trust them and more important

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than that is what that little death did to my head about this thing called god what type of

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god would create a baby and kill it i don't want nothing to do with religion spiritualities jesus

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johova i don't care what their nicknames are i want nothing to do with it it's up to me to figure

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this stuff out i can't take my problems to my mom and dad they're busy doing their craziness

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i can't trust them but i love them but i'm ashamed of them i can't trust this god i know it's up to

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me to figure this stuff out and i started running my own life and making decisions based on self

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as a little kid 11 years old there's four of us and i know i'm a nobody i'm a loser you hear it

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enough you begin to believe it and 11 years old there was four of us across the street and we

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started passing around a bottle of four rows whiskey and for the first time in my life this

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little nobody became a somebody it turned howdy doody into james dean and three drinks it was

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magic man i tell you i would much rather be a part-time somebody than an all-time loser nobody

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and man i never you know after i threw up and stuff like that never laughed so hard my entire

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life took a shot of that four rows whiskey and we drank the rest of it i never threw up so much

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as i did that day and i remember that evening i kissed my first latin woman there she is right

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there and it was my aunt my auntie della she was 46 years old man i said how'd you like an 11 year

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old hunk you know what i mean oh god boy that made my uncle a little edgy right and i didn't

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head out to skid row the next day and lose my paper out and run to the elano club you know

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but i did like a lot of us did i marked that spot i knew i found something special and i didn't have

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to lift a finger i didn't have to study i didn't have to have a plan of what i'm going to do when

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i go to college it was the answer to this loser all i had to do is take a shot of four rows whiskey

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man and i'm living a dream and i have lived in a dream my entire life the book calls it delusion

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one kid out here when i got here he says how you doing he says i'm living a dream i said well

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that's your problem come over here and live in reality kid it ain't that bad you know what i

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mean and uh and that you know like i said i didn't head off the skid row the next day or anything

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like that but the older i got the more i leaned on it and the old man had it all over the garage

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and everything like that and i become preoccupied with that stuff and at an early age and by the

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time i get into high school my freshman in high school and some of the kids are grabbing their

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locker rooms and they're going to their locker rooms and getting their books and pencils and

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going to their science classes and stuff and i'm going to my locker to get some thunderbird wine

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and maybe some barbiturates right i started dating this little mexican girl and she had some brothers

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and they like cars and i love cars to this day and you know we didn't have these dodge trucks

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like you guys have out here with these tires this big to drive over each other's houses with and

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shit you know but i did have a 64 chevy dropped right down to the ground i had my hair slicked

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back my white t-shirts and my black khaki pants that came up to here my frisco pants right and

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we'd drive around and drink that thunderbird wine and eat those reds and listen to the four tops and

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the temptations and the ojs and the impressions and junior walker and god i loved it man i was

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in my plumbing truck not too long ago when the four tops came on shit i just started sinking in

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my damn truck man i had a little mexican girlfriend named loopy and her sisters would curl her hair

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with soup cans and the noodles were stuck in there you know and and we'd drive around and you know

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drinking that thunderbird wine and with our frowns on bouncing around all night you know and

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her sisters would tell her that you know men who are well endowed had big feet so i went out and

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got me a pair of 15-inch shoes right had my big hair my big feet man driving around like that you

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know shit i loved it man and uh and ricky tripped over my foot tonight and i felt proud you know to

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watch out man that's a 1918 foot yeah yeah and i loved it and i became somebody

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i would no longer was that little loser down the street or betty and bob's little goofy kid in my

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own head i became lawrence of torrance you know and nobody else knew that but i knew that and

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that's all that counts that i became somebody man and i had a little group of somebodies and

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we did those little things that we do and rob houses and just i had a ball and i knew me and

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pooch and loopy were gonna bounce off into the sunset man and uh you know as time goes on you

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know people are going different places during the war and 69 and stuff like that and i grabbed my

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buddy and i said well i'm gonna head out to detroit and find my roots right so we drove from gardena

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to detroit and i wound up in phoenix i never made it to detroit man over there phoenix at north

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central and roosevelt at the apache hotel right five floors high everybody's got a bathroom it's

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down the hall everybody has a tv it's in the lobby 35 bucks a week i'm running out of dough to make

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my rent i'm afraid to leave my little motel room during the day i'm afraid to be by myself at night

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i find a friendly place across the street called the wagon wheel bar it has no windows just a dirty

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curtain blown through the and you know i started hanging out at the wagon wheel and the wagon wheel

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had a guy in there named ernie and every bar has an ernie ernie is the answer man man you know and

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he had an answer to my problem and he had a couple answers you know and one of them was that you know

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he said uh there's a horse track not too far from here we're gonna get you down to 95 pounds you're

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gonna be a jockey i thought great now i can start working out and you know getting healthy again

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right you said well i don't know about that he says but i need you to take this stuff and in

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two months we're gonna go weigh you in and he says i have a feeling we can get you down to 95 pounds

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he says i need you to take this stuff and i don't know what this stuff is you know i guess it was

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some kind of speed or something and i don't do speed i just drink cheap wine and do heroin and

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mind my own business you know certainly not going to be no afghan maker that's for damn sure you

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know he says well i don't know about that son but all i need you to do is take the stuff and i'll

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come back in two months and weigh you in and he took off and he lived left me in that little room

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with that stuff you know and he took off well he comes back two weeks later right opens up the door

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and i'm opens up the door and i'm standing right there and he says what's wrong with you well you

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know i've been taking that stuff and all i can do is i've been chasing around a fly in my room for

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two weeks and looking out the windows every 10 seconds going what's that what's that what's that

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what's that what's that you know or i'm hiding underneath the bed because i'm i'm scared to death

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of these black and white flashes that keep happening and it was the sun going up and down

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you know oh my god it's got a face on it you know and just he says well my god you know and he opens

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up he says you couldn't have possibly taken all well i did ernie you can put a saddle on me and

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ride me around here you know went back to the wagon wheel and i start working for another

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plumber right i started working for this plumber for about two hours and i find out that the guy

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is younger than me well i got my pride i'm not working for no kid so i did what any honorable

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man would do i faked a knee injury and they took me to the county hospital and the doctor writes

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me a prescription for percodan and then he leaves there and uh he he left a uh a cardboard box full

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of blank prescription pads he wanted me to have but shit i grabbed that box man i'm running down

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north central you know ducking to the old wagon wheel ernie sees these things i'm like this is

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great this is great he makes a phone call to some guy in yuma arizona and hell we start writing

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prescriptions and selling them we start writing prescriptions for second all and two and all and

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nembutal and obitrol you name it all we wrote it all man you know and and damn near took it all too

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you know and after about nine months they caught up with me and there's none of this shit like on

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channel five there he goes down the 405 look at him you know none of that was happening i was

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going nine miles an hour and the cop was on foot he was just hey hey open up that window and i'm

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looking at this guy and go my god could this man run you know he threw me out of there they threw

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me in jail for about a year and i come got out of there and they sent me back to california and in 1973

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i register at the city hall and my probation officer puts me on an abuse and for the first

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time in my life since i'm 13 i don't have a thing in my system just this an abuse after about two

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months uh i went crazy they find me in a little league dugout waiting for a job interview crying

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like a baby and laughing like a clown crying like a baby laughing like a clown and this is going on

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for hours and then that paranoia and hallucinations that used to float by is now stuck and okay and

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they said that it becomes somewhat catatonic and somebody sees me milling around there and they

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send the old ambulance after me and they take me to the harbor general hospital and in uh 1974 they

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got me down on a on a gurney with an arm and a legs trapped down and the doctor came over to me

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one more time said son by the way you've been living for the past three or four years we need

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to put you in a state hospital for about 30 days 60 days and observe you and they took me in a bus

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and drove me over the hill to this little place out by oxnard where they were going to observe

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me for 30 or 60 days and a year later they let me out and they gave me medications to take but

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there's something you can't medicate away in the mind of an alcoholic and that is this thought this

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time it's going to be different you got this larry you got this i ran out of thorazine after two

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months they find me in alvaro street i'm over there across the street at the chevron gas station

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on a pile of tires and i'm not over there vaping you know what i mean you know doing my lotto rub

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off you know what i mean no homies homies tucked into the old tire man you know trying to get some

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rest because that's what we do there is no line we don't cross for a drink there's nothing we

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don't do and we just keep waking up and having to do it and they come and arrest me and they arrest

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me on a public nuisance out of state forgeries they send me up the wayside for a couple months

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for three and a half year in a state penitentiary and after three months they send me down to the

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south bay courthouse in torrance california i'm in a holding tank about twice this size and with

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these guys that i was on the chain with and one by one they're all being called out and at four

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o'clock in the afternoon i'm the only one left i'm on a concrete floor with a von's bag and no hope

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wondering where they're going to send me now and at four o'clock in the afternoon a scottish man

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with a patch opened up a jail door eyelad got a patch on eyelad are you laddie thomas i said yes

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there i am he says that's great he says my name is alex we're going to aa and i thought aa i've

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heard of or and po but what's aa you know and who's this scottish pirate all of a sudden you

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know i've been hallucinating so much i didn't know if he was real or not you know you know however

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looking well back over 40 some years i know exactly what he is because this room is sprinkled

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with him some of my dearest friends is what my book calls a trusted servant and what made that

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man a trusted servant was simply this he had no business being there he had no business being

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there i drove a long way i'm getting three more minutes kid lake balboa i'll be done in a minute

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i i've got them right on the edge of their seats hang on he had no business being there and he

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wasn't a counselor and he wasn't a probation officer he was a refinery worker who just got

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the worst news of his life and that news was that his wife was dying immediately of a terminal

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illness and he knew she was in good hands but he knew he wasn't somewhere in his meetings in

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lake cochino somewhere in his meetings in bellflower california somewhere in his meetings

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in pocoima somewhere in his meetings in long beach he would sit with you folks in that book

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and grasp and develop a manner of living that ingrained in him this that practical experience

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tells us that nothing will ensure immunity from drinking but intensive work with other alcoholics

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he didn't think of milk and whiskey it had been removed just like bill wilson in the town's

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hospital it happened to him suddenly ebi came over to his bedside and bill had this profound

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experience one that i was mad that i couldn't have and yet at five years sober i would sit

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with you folks and discover that two paragraphs down bill said to him still still laying in that

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peace-telling bed the thought came to him that maybe he could work with other alcoholics there

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wasn't even an aa yet the thought came to him that maybe he could work with others i believe for me

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and you our singleness of purpose was hatched that afternoon my primary purpose if you will

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was hatched that afternoon and maybe just maybe what happened to bill suddenly he's hoping will

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happen to me and you gradually but the end game is the same we're carrying this message that's our

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primary purpose that's what's in that channel lord make me a channel what do you think's in that

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channel your experience strength and hope and for people like me and you who have been haunted by

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our past our saving grace here is our past is our greatest asset you don't have to hang yourself

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over those nightmares there's somebody you're going to sponsor who will need to hear your

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experience and how you stayed sober there's a miracle here that chapter working with others

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you can rename it who's helping who you see this picture you remember bill in the mayflower you

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remember bill and bob at the cyberling guesthouse you remember that first man you sponsor who was

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helping who you guys are bringing me something every time i lay eyes on you i ain't talking down

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to nobody i'm doing that thing that they want us to do work with i'm with you man i'm with you all

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the way and like i said on this 12-step call a couple months ago when i left this young man in

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the bed i came back to him i told him i am no better than you i am no better than you and i

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and I hope if you're new, you stay.

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Thank you so much.