10 Years Sober: Christiana’s Journey Through Trauma and Hope
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10 Years Sober: Christiana’s Journey Through Trauma and Hope

Episode description

Christiana reflects on reaching a decade of sobriety, recounting early childhood trauma, family addiction, and the pivotal role of AA meetings—both in-person and virtual—during the pandemic. She highlights how shared experience, strength, and hope have sustained her resilience and offers insight for newcomers seeking lasting recovery.

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Christiana, alcoholic.

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Thank you for your share and for showing up and all of you for showing up and

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giving me a place to share my recovery.

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Thank you for asking me, um, start as a qualifier.

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My sobriety date is May 22nd, 2012.

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So this year, that's not what I want.

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What, okay.

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Oh, there we go.

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I'll have 10 years.

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Um, which for me is just, I can't, that's kind of scary in a little bit of a way.

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Um, and also just mind blowing cause I, I remember not even being

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able to get to the 30 day mark.

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Um, I want to say welcome to those who are entering the rooms for the first time.

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There is hope in these rooms and if you stay long enough, you'll see it within

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other people and for yourself also.

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And that, I think that's one of the biggest blessings of AA is that we find

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hope again in these rooms, which is hard to see nowadays, um, especially everything

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going on in the world and just all the fear that exists, but one thing that I do

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know is that if we keep coming to these meetings, there, there is hope to stay

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another day sober in this moment.

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We're not drinking, we're not using, and you know, we keep putting one foot in

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front of the other and we are very, um, we're very resilient bunch of people.

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Um, I just think about everything that's gone on in the past two years.

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Sorry, we're not supposed to curse.

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Um, these past two years.

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And I initially was like, I don't like Zoom, Zoom doesn't work for me.

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And like, I started to see myself get a little crunchy and I was, you know,

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getting a little more angry at people in traffic and a little more irritable.

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And, um, you know, it was like, fine, I'll go to a Zoom meeting.

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And I was able to see a little bit of peace come back and I wasn't as snappy.

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And I was like, okay, I'll go to another Zoom meeting.

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And I started to see people that I cared about kind of fall to

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the outside of that inner circle.

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And some of them aren't sober anymore.

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And you know, like I see the rest of the world falling into a state

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of chaos, like even just in LA.

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And meanwhile, we can, we can handle a lot in these rooms.

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We continue to show up and we stay sober and you know, it's, it's really beautiful

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to see the way that we have connected with each other and learn to adapt our format

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so that we can continue to share the message of experience,

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strength, and hope with others.

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Um, I try to think, I don't remember my first drink.

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I do remember my first, um, when I threw up because of alcohol.

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Um, I, a lot, I have a history of trauma and quite a bit of it.

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And before 12 years old, there's not a lot of memories.

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I've just learned to block it out.

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And when I started doing therapy focused on the trauma, the images

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that were coming back were not pretty.

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So, um, I was like, I don't really want to do that anymore.

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Thank you.

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Um, but I do remember like 13, 14 years old, I found some Jose

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Cuervo and I drank way more than any 13, 14 year old should have.

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And I, I woke up and I turned to my, um, friends and I was like, I had

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a dream that I threw up last night.

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And she like lifted a towel and was like, you did.

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And I was like, well, that's weird.

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Like I drank that.

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I did that and all morning I was throwing up and her dad came in.

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Like, he was like, what's going on with you?

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It was like, I got sick off of garbanzo beans.

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I think I had food poisoning.

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And now I know you actually can't really get food poisoning

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from garbanzo beans or hummus.

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Um, so that's cool.

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But like, I just remember there was this part of me that was

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like, I felt, felt kind of cool.

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It's, it's a little embarrassing to say sometimes, but like, I really

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felt like I found the thing and I found an escape and I was like, this

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is what, this is what's going to save me.

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And at times it did.

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It really did save me from myself.

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Um, bottles of Veuve Cliquot were going missing.

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I don't know how my mom didn't put two and two together because

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it was just us in the house.

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She would be like, I don't know where they went.

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I need to get another one.

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And I was just like drinking them.

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They tasted great.

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So by 15, 16 things were really unmanageable with alcohol.

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Um, you know, I, my parents separated when I was nine months old.

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Um, my dad was a severe alcoholic drug addict.

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Um, he, he was active in his addiction and my mom was like, I can't, I

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need to do something to protect her.

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And that was something that, that kept me from feeling like I was

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connected to other people was growing up on the West side, there weren't

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a lot of people that I knew that also had single mothers and were an only child.

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And I always felt like I was on the outside and maybe, maybe if I had this

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thing, I would feel better and it was always something and you know, my mom

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did a wonderful job of she worked her ass off to care for me and as a kid,

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I couldn't understand that all I understood was that I didn't have what

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everyone else had and you know, there, there wasn't someone at home taking care

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of me, um, I had a housekeeper who was like a second mother to me.

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Um, and there were times where people would forget to pick me up.

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They thought someone else was picking me up.

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And, um, I was just like sitting outside school waiting for someone

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and a teacher, it would be dark and a teacher would come up to me

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and be like, no, we're, are you okay?

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And I'd be like, oh, you know, I'm just waiting.

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Um, and it's my heart breaks for that, that little Christiana.

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Um, and it, it was these experiences that validated my drinking

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and using the way that I did.

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If you felt that pain, that suffering, you too would drink, you too

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would smoke, you would act out.

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And try and get attention.

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And you know, I come from a long, long line of alcoholics, um, and a long line

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of sobriety too, is what I've come to realize, um, my dad eventually got sober.

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I think he passed away with 20 something years.

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He didn't, he didn't stay in the rooms, but he stayed dry.

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Uh, and that's one thing that I know that I don't ever want to be again.

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I've had periods where I've been really dry and it is probably worse than being.

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Active, like my mind has just been so mean, it's so hard to navigate.

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And despite not being in his, the active drinking phase, he caused a

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lot of wreckage and a lot of harm.

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He wasn't able to keep commitments.

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There were times where I would set up waiting for him and he just

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wouldn't show up and things like that.

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He had his own mental health issues.

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And, um, you know, I saw, I saw the impact on my brother and sister and it was sad.

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Um, my aunt was my first sponsor.

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Um, she, my father passed away.

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I think I had six.

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I didn't have six.

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I think I had three months sober and I got a call from my step-mom saying that

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my dad was in the hospital and he had stage four cancer, I needed to come right away.

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At three months sober, that was like, I don't know what to do.

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Um, luckily I had a couple of relapses, so I had made some connections in the rooms.

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And this was, this was back in 2012.

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And, um, I had a sponsor at the time and I, I kind of knew what to do.

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And luckily my, my phone was went straight to the phone and called my sponsor.

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She didn't answer.

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I just started calling.

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I called my mom crying hysterically.

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My, my sponsor immediately called me back before I could even

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like get through any other numbers.

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And she stayed on the phone with me until my mom got home.

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We booked a trip and I flew out there and, you know, I got to, I got to

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hold my dad's hand as he was dying.

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And I got to say that I forgave him and I think I really did.

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Um, and my aunt kind of held me hostage.

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She took me to this diner and I didn't realize it at the time, but she took

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me through the steps back to basics way.

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And we went through all 12 steps.

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I did not understand why we're doing it then.

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And they're like, my dad is in the hospital down the street.

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Why are we here doing this?

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Um, and now, I mean, I see it, she, she was like, you can't afford

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to not do this work right now.

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And while I probably would have handled it a little differently.

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Um, I'm really grateful because it did help me stay sober during that time.

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Um, I moved out there for a little while and, you know, my recovery, you

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know, it wasn't too solid to begin with three months sober is, you know, you're

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not winning at the recovery game so much.

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Um, I went out there to take care of my brother and sister and I didn't connect

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with people in the rooms that were there.

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Um, no offense to Arizona recovery, but old Cowboys, um, were

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not my idea of a vision for you.

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Um, I really struggled to connect.

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I was like in these like saloons in the middle of nowhere, Scottsdale,

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um, not even like downtown Scottsdale.

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We were like in cactus land where it was 20 minutes to get to a grocery store

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and guys are smoking cigarettes and have cowboy hats that they literally

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had spurs on their shoes.

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I'm from West LA.

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This was not what recovery was to me.

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Like I did not understand it.

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And so I stopped going shocking.

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Um, and the thoughts started coming back.

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Um, I was searching around at one point with my brother trying to find pot and

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he was, he was 15 years old and he had just lost his dad and he and I are going

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around our dad, um, looking around for marijuana and I sounded really old saying

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marijuana while looking for, looking for weed, um, we'll say that that sounds a

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little better.

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Um, and I realized that I needed to get, I needed to leave and it broke my heart

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to leave my brother and sister.

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Cause I was taking care of them.

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My step-mom was not able to show up for them.

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I was being a parent in that situation.

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And I also am really glad that I did it because at least one thing that they did

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see was me taking care of myself and a family that didn't really take care of

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ourselves.

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And, um, I stayed sober and I got back to the meetings that I, I really felt like

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there was some connection to, and it was hard.

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It was, it was really hard.

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Um, mental health is definitely a part of my story.

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So I, I do include it.

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Um, when I, when I said that alcohol saved me from myself, um, it really did.

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I was struggling with, um, suicidal ideation at the age of 13.

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I had my first, um, 51 50.

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Then, um, I went to BHCL Hambra and as a 13 year old and BHCL Hambra, um, I

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learned, I learned that I wasn't cutting the right way, that I wasn't trying to

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kill myself the right way.

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And I was so impressionable and I, I just wanted anything to be outside of this,

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this body and this mind.

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And, um, my cutting got worse and worse.

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Um, my attempts increased in frequency.

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And, um, one of the things that I did find was some sort of sense

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of safety in these institutions.

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So I would, I would go there a lot.

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I think I went, I was seven, seven times between the age of 13 and I must've been

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like 16, 17, which is shit ton of times to be hospitalized.

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Um, but you know, it, it really was, I was surrounded with love.

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I was, my needs were cared for.

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Like I didn't have to do anything like nurses were there.

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They play cards with me and it, it no longer became about trying to

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necessarily harm myself like that was there, but it was how do I go and find

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safety because it wasn't safe at my home.

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Um, and at that time I started exposing myself to more and more

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alcohol, more and more pot.

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I discovered ecstasy and man, I fucking loved ecstasy.

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Like if you struggle with depression and you get ahold of some ecstasy, it's

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like, holy shit, life feels good.

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And like, I loved being able to feel my body in a certain way,

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like tingling sensations.

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All I felt was like numb and dead inside.

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Um, and I ended up switching, like from trying to kill myself to trying to kill

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myself through drugs and alcohol, essentially.

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Um, I always wanted more, I needed more.

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I couldn't, I didn't have the access to use the way that I wanted to use.

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So I was still kind of managing.

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And in college, when I went away, I was 17 years old when I went to school and

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I had the decision to either go on a softball scholarship or a soccer scholarship.

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Um, and I went with softball because I would have had more playing time and my

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ego could not handle sitting on the bench for a year, lo and behold, I got injured

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and I was benched the entire season and the softball team partied with the

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football team and if you think the football team can drink, well, let me

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tell you about the softball team.

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We were very competitive and we out drank almost every single

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like linebacker that we had.

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It wasn't a huge school.

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It was D3 football.

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So that's not saying a whole lot, but the linebackers are big regardless.

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And I was out drinking easily all the dudes in the room.

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Um, and that, that fuel was ignited because it was easier and easier to get.

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Like I had more and more access and blackouts were happening regularly.

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The security guard was concerned about me.

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Like, cause he would tell me that I was sitting outside by a tree and hugging it.

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Like what the fuck?

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Like weird things, sorry, I cursed again.

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Um, it's going to slip.

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Um, we're more and more weird things were happening.

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Um, and it was, I thought it was kind of funny and then it

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started becoming dark and scary.

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Um, I lost my scholarship.

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The only things that year that I ended up passing were, I think it was computers.

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And softball.

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And the only reason I pass softball is because who doesn't fail softball.

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Um, I told my mom that it was because I failed math and I wasn't allowed

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back at the school that was not a surprise.

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Um, she believed it cause math has never been my strong suit.

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I, I was being sent to first grade math class when I was in third grade.

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Cause I was just, I just didn't understand these concepts, these

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letters, these numbers, like what are we doing here?

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Um, so I returned home and I started doing the JC switch.

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Um, I went to Santa Monica, got it together a bit, ended

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up going to Cuesta college.

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I ended up just failing out of these schools.

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Um, and if you don't know, you can fail out of a junior college.

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I didn't know that it's happened three times.

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Um, I did not know how to show up for classes.

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I was high when I showed up for classes.

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I actually had a professor at one point.

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I was in this remedial English class and we have the exam that I didn't know about.

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And I did a gravity bong hit right before class.

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And he took one look at me, took the exam from me and gave me some

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like markers and a piece of paper.

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Cause like, he was like, girl, you are too fucked up to even do this.

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And I was just like sitting there coloring and I guess he didn't want

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me to be embarrassed that like, he just knew that I wasn't going to do it.

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Um, I just kept not understanding why I couldn't pass these classes.

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As well, if you're constantly drinking in class and getting high in class,

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you're not going to pass, you're just not.

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Um, and it was a source of a lot of shame.

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So I kept trying to do it, like being on growing up on the West side, like

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everyone's going to like Stanford and places like this, that was never an

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option for me, but there was this idea to fit into this image of, you know,

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you go to a four year school, you get a good job, you start a family, you do the thing.

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Um, and meanwhile, I'm making up these lies, these excuses, like, I don't

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know, there was this thing at school.

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That's why I'm not done yet.

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That's why I'm not done yet.

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And it really was drugs and alcohol.

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Main reason.

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Um, I ended up working some, there was a lot of trauma associated with

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San Luis Obispo, a lot of blackouts, a lot of drinking, there was a sexual assault.

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There was, it was just, it got so bad and it wasn't, I don't blame the

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drugs and alcohol for the sexual assault, but I don't think I would

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have been in that situation to begin with, had I not been using drugs and alcohol.

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Um, and that was a difficult part to look at on the fourth step.

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Um, not that I needed to forgive someone for that, but looking at, you

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know, drugs and alcohol were present.

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Um, and that was, that was about kind of where I left it with that.

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I didn't have to look at it any further.

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I got that permission from my sponsor to just kind of let that one go, but

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it was a resentment that I held on to.

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And I got back, I had always managed to somewhat keep functioning jobs.

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Um, and I started working at Pitfire Pizza.

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I don't know if y'all know it, but there's quite a few that

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somehow end up next to AA meetings.

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I don't know how that happens, but I was an assistant general manager

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at Pitfire in Westwood and there's the Selby street meeting that is right near

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it and it's actually a meeting that I ended up going to, but I was, I ended

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up starting making the sangria.

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Um, it got to the point where I would bust out a like black cherry soda, pour

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it in a glass next to the sangria, hoping people would think that I wasn't drinking.

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They think it was the black cherry soda, but really I was like drinking sangria

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10 o'clock in the morning and it just kept getting worse and worse.

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And, um, at that time I think I was even biking to work because my drinking was

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so bad and I ended up like looking back, there was people in the meetings that

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would come into Pitfire and I kept offering them drinks, like let me get

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you a drink and all this stuff.

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And I just, I don't even know why I shared that, but essentially I was, I

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was testing a bunch of alcoholics and now looking back, like that

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was the place to hang out.

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Um, I feel bad for them.

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I constantly was like, Hey, do you want to relapse?

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Do you want to relapse?

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And they're like, no, man, like you're okay.

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But I've always like found myself in these weird AA circles,

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like somehow on the outside.

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I've always been drawn towards AA.

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Um, I ended up quitting that job.

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I got a DUI.

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It was very embarrassing incident.

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Um, I had gotten home from the bar, biked home from the bar, wanted Taco Bell,

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decided to get in my car to drive to Taco Bell, got pulled over, told the officer

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that I was drunk, um, and that's why I wasn't answering the questions correctly.

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Um, not very smart, but I think it was this part of me that just so

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desperately needed help and didn't know how to ask for it anymore.

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Um, and was forced into the rooms of AA.

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Um, I ended up telling the general manager at Pitfire that I couldn't work there

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because I couldn't stay sober working there.

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I kept doing a couple of days sober, relapsing a couple of days sober,

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relapsing, and I quit that job.

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And, um, I focused on my sobriety.

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I don't, I don't know what I did for employment after that.

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I think AA and school were kind of my employment, but I started, I started

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to slowly connect with the rooms because of this court order DUI.

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Um, I didn't know that faking attendance was an option and I'm really glad,

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but I was faking my signatures.

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Cause I was too scared to tell people in the rooms that I was

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actually court appointed alcoholic.

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I thought I wouldn't belong.

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Um, so sitting in the rooms and I would go and fake sign my court

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card and turn it in, um, which is kind of reversed.

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Uh, so yeah, get your court card signed if you're here for that.

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Um, I told my DUI counselor, like we were in like these group DUI classes and

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people were on like their third or fourth.

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And I started sharing about my connection to the AA meetings.

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And I think I was probably the first one who shared about actually wanting

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to go to AA and wanting to like be sober.

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So he like latched on to me and was like, here's how we do recovery.

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And I'm so glad he was like, you're going to get the sponsor.

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You're going to do this thing.

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And if I slowly started to see that I belonged in these rooms and that I mean,

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I really belong, not just like, Hey, you're here on a DUI charge.

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Um, I ended up having an experience where I had an opportunity with

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school at that time to go on a major trip for Marine biology.

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And I wanted to test myself one last time with drinking.

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And I ended up missing the whole opportunity.

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I camped at a different campground.

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I got so drunk.

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I fell 20 feet off of a cliff.

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Um, I don't, I don't know how I didn't get injured, but I climbed back up and

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like covered in thorns and busted up.

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And the first thing I grabbed was fireball.

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Um, any sane person would be like, I need to stop drinking for the rest of the day.

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I just fell off a cliff and my idea is woo survived.

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Let's let's do fireball.

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Let's do champagne.

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Let's keep this thing going.

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Um, I missed out entirely on that opportunity.

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I don't even think I saw the professor wants to trip.

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And when I got home, my mom, I walked in the door and she was like, yo, yo, you okay?

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Like, and the first thing I said was I need to go to an AA meeting.

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And it really was that aha moment of like, I need to really do this.

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Like I've tried every single way to do it my own way.

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And maybe I should just listen.

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Um, I got a sponsor.

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I started doing, doing the steps.

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Um, that's when the whole thing with my dad happened.

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I ended up coming back to LA and I had this young sponsor and

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I thought she was so cool.

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She was pretty, she was standing at the podium talking about how she

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just broke up with her boyfriend and she didn't want to drink.

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And I was like, that's my sponsor.

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Um, that was, there was like no, no recovery there, except she didn't drink.

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And we would sit and read the big book and she started nodding off.

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And I would, I had made enough friends during that time to be like, I

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think there's something off with my sponsor.

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They kept an eye on me, but they never told me what was going on.

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And they waited for me to have my own experience with my sponsor.

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And I was like, do I need a new one?

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They were like, yes, here we go.

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Let's find you.

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And I found a sponsor who was so like, just, she was Alan on an AA.

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And it was like, you do it this way.

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This is how we do it.

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We sit at the front, you don't play with your phone.

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You think the speaker, you arrive early.

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Like she, I mean, she put me in check, um, and I needed it.

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I needed every bit of structure and direction.

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And I started really kind of giving my all to school and I

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started to see that I wasn't stupid.

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I actually have the ability to achieve.

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And there was like an immediate turnaround between the time I started

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actually showing up to meetings and working the steps, not just like doing

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the in and out of, Oh, my life improves.

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I'm starting to find connect with teenagers.

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And I was working at a church and I was starting to pass classes and I didn't

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wake up with these shameful thoughts.

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I, I started to see my friend group change and it was kind of the first

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real time where I was like, Oh, this is the real issue was the drugs and alcohol.

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And the way that I was using all these other things to fix all of the hurt.

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And if I just show up, share with others, do some very basic things

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like turning my life over, trusting others, asking for help when I need it.

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Things like that, my life would get better.

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Um, and I ended up, I ended up having a counselor or he was a counselor doing

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like this course that was like counseling, but it was really like how do you pass

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classes in college who really invested in me, um, and he had me do a, instead

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of the normal final, it was like a written first step that was like explain

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why you're unmanageable and you're powerless over alcohol, what does that

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even look like, and he allowed me to turn that in and it was actually

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my first day that I ever got.

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Um, Ooh, I just got feelings, um, uncomfortable, but like it was really

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was that assignment where I was like, maybe, maybe I'm not stupid.

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Maybe I have a chance.

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Maybe, maybe I can graduate college.

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Um, and at that point I had been kicked out of three junior colleges,

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asked not to return to like SMC.

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Um, and I was like, I think, I think I can get my associate degree and

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started doing the work and I ended up getting my associate degree.

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And I was like, maybe I can get a bachelor degree.

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Maybe this is possible.

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And I was 10 years to get my BA degree from when I graduated high school, I

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guess, um, and I finally got it.

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And I found out that, you know, there's addiction studies, you can get your

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bachelor degree in addiction studies.

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And I was like, shit, I know something about that.

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Like I'm a pro at this.

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And I started taking classes that were focused on psychology and addiction

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studies, and I was like, maybe I have something to give to this professional

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community and it allowed me to kind of shift the whole trajectory of my life.

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And I ended up, you know, finding a new sponsor and she's still the

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same sponsor that I have today.

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And it was, I saw light in her eyes that I hadn't seen with other people and I felt

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safe and I felt like I could go to her with anything and I really do believe in

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finding a sponsor who is there for you thick and thin and like cheers for you

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when you're struggling and being weird and, um, helps you turn towards other

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women in the program or other men in the program and really getting connected.

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And, you know, she helped me believe in myself when it was really difficult.

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And when I had this, I had a dream at five years sober to, when I graduated

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college to go and travel around the world for six months and she was like, shit, do

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it, you can stay sober and like everyone in my life was like, no, you, you cannot

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stay sober or going around the world that long, like you just can't do that.

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My mom was freaking out.

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She was like, you're going to drink.

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This is insane.

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Why are you spending that much money?

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And meanwhile, my sponsor was like, why are you going to meetings?

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Like, how do we support, what is our plan to connect and do all this?

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And I ended up taking a five year by turn five in Greece and took

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my five year coin in Ireland.

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That was a trip.

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Um, like the, the meetings in Ireland, like meetings at Vietnam meetings in

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Greece, like I was, I was connecting with a recovery community all over and it

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helped me stay sober and help me experience different cultures.

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And during that time I had actually applied for grad school and I had, uh, I

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had a full ride to university of Denver, which is unheard of for grad school.

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And something in me during that trip was like, this isn't it.

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This isn't it.

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Don't, don't go to that school.

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And the more that I traveled, the more that I connected with cultures and I

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didn't want to do social work in Denver.

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Like, uh, I wanted to be in a city where I could really make some change.

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Not that Denver is not a city.

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If anyone's from Denver, like it's great, beautiful, um, flat, got some mountains.

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Great.

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Um, but I saw myself doing social work in LA and I rejected that offer.

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Again, people were telling me I was crazy and my sponsor was like, no, like you're

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do with what you trust, like God's got you.

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Um, and you know, I leaned into the fact where, where are the meetings there?

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Like I love fucking pot and Denver and pot.

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They like are a perfect storm for me relaxing.

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Um, and I ended up saying like, no, like my recovery is not going to like, I don't

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think that's the best place for me in my recovery.

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And I worked in methadone clinics for a year.

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That was quite humbling for my recovery.

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And I ended up applying to USC and I ended up getting another major scholarship.

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Um, and I ended up kind of entering this field and getting honors at USC and making

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the Dean's list, that's where I connected with you.

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And you know, it was, it's been this beautiful wild ride where I've still had

26:05

my fair share of issues, but I also have throughout every single struggle, I've

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been able to connect with the hope and recovery and hope in the meetings.

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And you know, it's, it's not always easy.

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Um, but I know that I don't want to go back to what life was.

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Um, there's, there's so many things that I don't even know what I want to do, but

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I know once I identify it, that I'll be able to achieve it.

26:28

And that's because of the encouragement and the love in these rooms.

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And I don't think I've all of my insane ideas.

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Like I've really been told like, no, don't do that.

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It's kind of been like, okay, how do we support you in your sobriety

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as you go do this thing?

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And I'm a big fan of kind of just cheering people on with our dreams.

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Cause we are, you know, we're, we're quite creative in these rooms.

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Um, we went to great lengths for drinking and using, and we will go to great lengths

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and achieve beautiful things in recovery.

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And so, um, finding the people that you connect with and who cheer you on along

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the way and, um, going where the love is, you know, I I'm a big fan of going where

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the love is and there's a sense of comfort and peace in these meetings that.

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I know when I'm struggling, as long as I get to a meeting, I'm going to be okay.

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Because even if I say like, I'm just struggling with being an alcoholic

27:18

or just being in my own skin, there's going to be someone in this room.

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That's like, yeah, I know what that feels like.

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There's whenever I speak up about a difficulty, there will be someone in

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that meeting who has been through something similar and can share their

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experience, strength, and hope.

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And if there's not, you better believe they probably have a phone

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list of people that I can call that will have been through something similar.

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And we don't, we don't have to navigate recovery alone.

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And that was something that was kind of a weird concept for me.

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It was like, Oh, I don't have to do things alone.

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Like, what do you mean?

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Like I can actually trust other people.

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I don't have to constantly kind of guard myself and protect myself.

27:53

Um, cause that's the only world that I really knew was

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like, how do I keep myself safe?

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Um, I didn't know how to trust.

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And in these rooms, I learned how to trust others.

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I honestly, I didn't even know how to live in these rooms taught me how to live.

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Um, I, I had been of service.

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I'd worked at churches.

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I grew up in the church and theoretically I knew what being of service was.

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I went on mission trips.

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I did all that, but it wasn't until I got sober.

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And actually did true service work in these rooms that I really understood

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what it was like to help a fellow human being and to help someone who is

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struggling, it was always, what can I get out of this cervix experience?

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I'm going to go to a homeless shelter and do these things, but it wasn't for

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the other people in a way was how do I feel better by doing this thing?

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And now it's just like, how do I help you?

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How do I connect with you?

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How do I share recovery?

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What do you need to do?

28:47

Um, and that, that was, that was a transformational experience to give

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without trying to get anything in return.

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And ultimately like sharing the message of recovery with others.

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While I was at USC, I was connected.

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We, there was a recovery center there and I had the opportunity to mentor

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women that were in the social work program who were trying to get sober.

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Um, I don't know how they even made it to grad school by drinking

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and using, but you know, they, they did it.

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And I got to like, sit down and read the big book with women on campus.

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And that, that was wild.

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Um, and knowing that like, if I struggled, there were other people on

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campus who are struggling and could offer experience straight than hope.

29:27

And I think one of the beautiful things about AA is learning

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that I'm no greater.

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I'm no less.

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We are, we are all equals.

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And at the end of the day, we're all just trying to navigate recovery.

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And I really try and hold on to that.

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Um, and just continuing to come back to meetings pandemic or not, like

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we got to show up for our recovery.

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And if we're not in these meetings and we're not working on our recovery,

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someone else might miss out on what we have to offer.

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And so sometimes I don't want to go to a meeting.

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I don't, I don't want to fucking show up sometimes.

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I want to go, sorry, I said it again.

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Um, I want to go straight to bed afterward.

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I don't want to go to a meeting, but also I'm asked and other people showed

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up for me when I needed a meeting.

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And so sometimes I'm in these rooms just to be another body in the room.

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Cause someone might be struggling and not know that there are

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this many people in recovery.

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And thank you for allowing me to show up and share my story.

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Thank you for asking me.

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And thank you all for being here.