33 Years Sober: Jay’s Journey from Trauma to Recovery
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33 Years Sober: Jay’s Journey from Trauma to Recovery

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Jay shares his 33‑year sobriety milestone, the diverse AA meetings he attends worldwide, and the harrowing childhood trauma that shaped his early years. He emphasizes the inclusive promise of Alcoholics Anonymous and the power of continuation in recovery.

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Hey everybody. My name is Jay Westbrook. I'm an alcoholic sober today by God's mercy and

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practice of the principles of alcoholics and animus. So grateful to be here. Thank you all

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for having me come talk to you tonight and just statistics. I'm in my first sobriety. I got sober

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December 2nd, 1988. So assuming I go to bed sober tonight, that's 33 years, seven months and eight

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days. And so grateful for it. I ran on burning building with my ass on fire and so far I haven't

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run back in. It doesn't mean I won't, but so far I haven't and I'm grateful for that. I have

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a sponsor. Her name is Kathy Neches. She knows she's my sponsor. I have a grand sponsor, Peggy

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King. She knows she's my grand sponsor. I have sponsees that have sponsees and my home group

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is the Daily Reprieve meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous here in Tupelo, Mississippi. We meet

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seven mornings a week. And because of the time difference, I'm on Central Time. My other home

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group is Zoon Log Cabin, 730 a.m. Monday through Friday. I host that room every day. I've lived a

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lifetime in Los Angeles and moved here to Mississippi three months ago, right at the end

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of March. And, you know, love absolutely loved Los Angeles. And then the music changed and I just

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couldn't dance to it anymore. And Tupelo has everything that I was looking for. And I'm so

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grateful to be here. I also go to a meeting in Bend, Oregon, Monday evenings on Zoom and Friday

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evenings. I go to this little meeting in Yellowknife of the Northwest Territories in Canada,

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240 miles from the Arctic Circle. And man, that's that's really interesting. You know,

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little community up there, a lot of indigenous people. And through the winter, it's typical,

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you know, average 37, 39, 41 below zero. And they're just like these happy people, I guess,

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just being alive in that kind of weather. You know, hard place to be an alcoholic if you all

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pass out on the way home, you know, fall down and pass out, you die just very quickly in that

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kind of weather. So that's I love going to that meeting. And so that's me. And then I speak a

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bunch around around the world on Zoom, speaking in London tomorrow. So here's what I want to say.

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I want to talk about my favorite topic. That would be me. But before I do, let me say the important

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stuff. And that's just welcome to Alcoholics Anonymous, we have a solution for your alcoholism.

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If you're female or male, black and white, gay or straight, young or old, old timer, newcomer,

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returnee, welcome to Alcoholics Anonymous, we have a solution for your alcoholism. If you're educated

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or illiterate, sheltered or homeless, Republican or Democrat, tattooed or still an empty easel,

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welcome to Alcoholics Anonymous, we have a solution for your alcoholism. And if you all

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are anything like me, and you got up into these rooms going, Oh, my God, I can't believe it's

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come to this. And I'm with a group of losers like you, or you're anything like me and simultaneously

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felt Oh, my God, I can't believe a group of people like you would let a piece of shit like me even

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stand in the doorway, let alone sit next to you, let alone have you remember my name. Welcome to

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Alcoholics Anonymous, we have a solution for your alcoholism. And if you all are anything like me,

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and you got up into these rooms with some issues, we don't have the solution for issues. But I

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promise you that whatever your solution might be, it'll work better if you're clean and sober. And I

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got here with issues. I'm a high school dropout with a master's degree. I went to 16 schools in

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11 years and never did one year at one school. I was always the new kid came in the middle of the

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year didn't make friends, isolated myself, but was also excluded by, you know, everyone who already

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knew each other and I was new and they weren't interested. I'm also I come from a New York

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communist atheist theatrical family, and I'm not sure what issues it gave me, but I know it gave

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me some. And I think it's really important to say I'm an incest survivor of horrendous, horrendous

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torture and incest from age three on. My parents gave me away when I was three and they wanted to

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focus on a career and I think they thought they were giving me to a good family. They weren't. I

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was three years old, terrified of the dark and this family locked me in a pitch black closet for

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the next three years. And I lived, toileted, ate, slept, existed in that closet, pulled out once a

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day to be washed, ritualistically tortured and raped. And I lost my sanity and safety and

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security, my trust, my innocence, and was filled with absolute hate and rage that was unsafe to

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turn on my perpetrators. So I turned it on me. And that's a habit that lasted for many decades,

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hurting myself with my wounds, turning my legitimate anger and hate of my perpetrators

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on myself. And when I finally got out of that situation and was reunited with my parents,

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I was, I was just broken and periodically re-victimized. And then we moved to California.

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I think I was 15 and the next year I found alcohol and drugs and God, I was so grateful. They were a

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solution. They were not a problem. They kept me on the planet. They kept me from suiciding.

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They let me stay in my skin, but over time, they certainly made me stupid. And that stupidity led

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to bad decision-making and that decision-making put me in front of a power greater than myself,

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Judge William Ritzy. And in my first ever encounter with the criminal justice system,

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he slammed that gavel down and sentenced me to double five to life in the penitentiary. And man,

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I did not, did not want to go because I had this absolutely stunningly beautiful wife at home who

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was kinder than she was beautiful. And she was like movie star, beautiful, just like insane,

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you know, the kind of beautiful where people would look at her and they'd look at me and they'd look

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at her and they'd look at me and just shake their head and go, Oh my God, you know, he must be so

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rich or so hung and I'm a hospice. So I'm a clinical hospice nurse, so you go figure.

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And anyway, I was so green. This was my first encounter with the criminal justice system. I

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didn't know there was a difference between jail and prison. Had no idea. So I had no fear and off

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I went to the penitentiary. And that first night coming up from the chow hall five hours after I

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checked in I was gang beaten and gang raped for the first time. And it happened throughout my

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incarceration. And when I got out of that pen I was filled with bitterness and rage and blame

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and cowardice and irresponsibility and a massive PTSD and massive shame. So not a vision for you.

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And went right back to the lifestyle. And I'm going to back up for a minute because I think

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there's something really important because I don't want to mislead you. I will tell you that

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that beautifully, stunningly beautiful and kind wife Nancy that I had grew up in a loving, stable,

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supportive, non-abusive home in Wichita, Kansas. She lived in one house her entire life. She went

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to grade school, kindergarten grade school, junior high, high school with the same group of kids.

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They had community. They stayed friends their entire lives. And she ended up with the same

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disease, alcoholism and drug addiction that I have and the same solution, the 12 steps and the 12

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traditions. So I don't want to mislead anyone and make you think that I'm saying that my incest and

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torture caused my alcoholism because they didn't. And to say otherwise would be unfair to all of

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those incest survivors who never picked up a drug, never picked up a drink, and certainly never used

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that experience to excuse bad behavior, which is exactly what I did because of my alcohol.

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And there was a time when the alcoholism and the drug addiction were not bad. I remember I worked

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at the Troubadour from 1965 to 1972. It was the golden years at the Troubadour when people who

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went on to play stadiums, people who did play stadiums around the world came to LA and played

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that little 400 seat venue. And it was an amazing time to be there. And I came home from work one

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night and I had bought cocaine for the first time. And our rent on Fuller Avenue right across from

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Plummer Park, our rent was a hundred dollars a month. And I spent a hundred dollars on a

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gram of cocaine. And I put it on this little desk and I was putting it on, I put it on a plate and

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I was chopping lines. And Nancy, like she did every night, brought me a cup of coffee. And as

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she turned, her elbow hit the coffee and that coffee hit the cocaine and washed it off onto

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the floor. And she burst out crying. And I jumped up and grabbed her and hugged her and said, honey,

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it's okay. It's just cocaine, you know. And we went from that to hope to die, drug addicts and

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alcoholics, you know, until we got to these rooms. And these are the rooms that got the drink out of

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my hand and the joint, the drink, the drink out of my hand and the joint out of my mouth and then

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the needle out of my arm that took my ass from base to grace. And for that, I'll be forever

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grateful. So, you know, we did it, Nancy and I did it till the wheels fell off. I did very

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well in school in spite of the fact that I was getting loaded. I got a lot of letters to my name.

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And at the end, you know, we lived in this lovely apartment across from Plummer Park. I drove a nice

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car. I had this stunningly beautiful wife. I had a business card that said associate director of

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medical research at a children's hospital here in Los Angeles, you know, and I couldn't look you in

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the eye, but I could hand you that business card and I hated my job. Nancy and I never had children

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because we didn't like children. Thank God we didn't have them. There are people who don't

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like children and they go ahead and have them. Oh my God, I don't understand that. We didn't like

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them. We didn't have them. And where am I working? At a children's hospital. That's alcoholism. And

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I've got three guns on cock and lock because I'm thinking, right, you turn your back on a five year

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old with leukemia. You don't know what that kid might do. Out of my mind, paranoid, insane. And

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how they didn't know and have me arrested or at least fired is beyond me. Associate director of

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medical research. And I just couldn't do it one more day. I was so lonely and baffled and

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frustrated and confused and desperate and cornered and, and could not make it work.

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It just, I tried so hard and, and Nancy and I couldn't make the relationship work. We loved

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each other so much. The feelings of love were so deep and so intense, but they were not matched by

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behavior. And we just didn't like the goddamn breaks were out and we didn't have an instruction

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manual and we didn't know how to fix it. And massive unhappiness in every, every aspect of

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my life. And I just decided I got to die. I can't do this anymore. And thank God I'm an alcoholic.

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I just stuck one of those guns in my mouth, pulled the trigger and y'all have a different speaker

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tonight. But because I'm an alcoholic, meaning I'm grandiose and arrogant and traumatic,

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you know, I decided to stage, to kill myself, but stage it so that it looked like an accident

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and I'd be out of my misery, but Nancy had had money from the insurance policies and the

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accident insurance, accidental death insurance policies. And I set it up and it had to be,

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you know, on this day at this time, and the thing was staged. And, and I'm sitting there that

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afternoon and I'm snorting cocaine and I'm drinking Jack Daniels and a public service announcement

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comes on the TV and it's this curly haired guy in a suit. And excuse me for not LA casual. I'm

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almost always in a suit and dye. And it's this guy and he's got curly hair and he steps into a

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bathroom stall. And I don't know how much time y'all spend in bathroom stalls, but I spent an

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inordinate amount of time in bathroom stalls. And, uh, and he steps in there and he opens the vial

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and he does a little one-on-one and as he's closing the vial, it falls and it rolls behind

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the toilet. He gets down to grab it and his cheek is touching the public toilet seat and they freeze

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frame. And the voiceover said, welcome to the glamorous world of cocaine. If you have a problem,

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call this number. And a hundred times or 99 times, I'd seen that public service announcement and

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thrown the finger. And that day I picked up the phone, burst into tears, picked up the phone and

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called. And a guy on the other end of the line said, cocaine anonymous. This is Dean Katz. Can

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I help you? Dean is still sober. And, uh, he talked to me for 90 minutes and then he said,

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it's time to go to a meeting, you know, and thank God it was cocaine anonymous. Cause I had been AA

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and they said, we got a meeting over here in a church. I wouldn't have gone. Y'all would have

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had a different speaker tonight, but it was cocaine anonymous. And they said, we got a

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meeting in a bar on the sunset strip. It's called Carlos and Charlie's. And I'd been in that bar

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before I'd gotten loaded in that bar and I felt safe going. And then I went down and I got on my

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motorcycle and before I could get the find, which of those holes to put the key in the bike. And I

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just fell over and I let it lay and I got a cab up to Carlos and Charlie's and went in. And, um,

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and in that meeting, I felt the breath of a God in whom I did not believe blowing on me with a

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gentleness that I did not deserve. And then I had not, and I've been sober ever since. And they said

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to me that night, um, you know, honey, you're, you're, you're sicker than most. And I went,

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Oh my God, thank you. They said it wasn't a compliment observation. It was not a compliment

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you would pro you're really sick. You would probably benefit from morning meetings where

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cocaine addicts, we don't do anything in the morning, go to log cabin. It's an AA meeting

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on Robertson, but you can talk about drugs. And in my third day sober Monday, December 5th,

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1988, I walked in log cabin for the first time, you know, and a guy was in a pink shirt,

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greeted me at the top of the steps. And he said, hi, honey, welcome to alcoholics anonymous. You

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know, if you leave your fantasies at the door, all of your dreams can come true in AA. If you're

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willing to work for them. I mean, my mouth gaped open and it was like, I didn't even realize there

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was a difference between fantasies and dreams. And today I've lived that difference. You know,

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and I told you that I hated my job. I don't like children. I don't particularly little children in

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the hospital that was a children's hospital, you know? And, and so kept hearing, leave your

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fantasies at the door and all of your dreams can come true if you're willing to work for them.

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And that meeting ended. And I got in my car and I drove into the hospital and quit my job,

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you know, and I drove downtown to LA County, USC Medical Center. And, and I got a job as a

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cancer nurse. And that hospital serves the poorest of the poor. And there's very little early

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detection and so many people die. And that was my dream to work with the dying. And I did that

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for a year and got recruited to the pain management service and did that for a year and then made the

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leap to hospice. And that's where I've been ever since. I've spent 31 years as a bedside hospice

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nurse. I go from one dying person's house to another. I do the pain management with the dying.

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I do the grief work with the dying and their families. And the third, the third step talks

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about making a decision to turn will and life over to the care of God, meaning our thinking

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and our behavior. I guess the shorthand for that is I'm going to do God's work. I'm not going to

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do God's job. I'm going to do God's work. And, and I'd like to think that that's what I've gotten to

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do in, in being privileged to work with the dying and the grieving. And, and what happened was that

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the place where life and death meet is filled with God. That's not an opinion or a hypothesis

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or a theory. The place where life and death meet is filled with God undeniably. That's my experience.

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And that's where I found my God. That's where I found my God. I was seeking, but I had not found

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God until I started doing that hospice work. And then I just had to figure out how does that God

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that you cannot deny work with this horrendous history that I have. And that was a struggle to

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make that work. And here's where I got to, and this is just me. And there's a, there's this

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loving God who designed it, who created it and put it in motion and gave us free will. And that loving

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God never leads, never leaves my side, co journeys with me always and co suffers with me, but does

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not intervene. He is a non intervening God, but he co suffers with me. He watched me being raped

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at three and four and five and six years old and wept at my suffering and looked at my rapist and

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went to their suffering that they'd moved so far from his grace, but did not intervene because he

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made them with everything they needed for redemption and made me with everything I needed

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for resilience. And I don't know if they reached for it, but I know that I did first through drug

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and alcohol. And when that didn't work, then, then through the amazing fellowship and the transformative

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12 steps and 12 traditions of alcoholics anonymous, you know, and I'm so grateful that God was so

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patient with me and so forgiving with me. And I want to pick up pieces of the story that I may

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have left out. I got to tell you that I'm so grateful to have gotten here with the seconds

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and inches where willingness and clarity because here's the deal. If you have the willingness,

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but you lack the clarity about the problem, you could end up in church or yoga or therapy

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or wilderness camp, all of which are good thing, but they don't treat alcoholism. And if on the

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other hand, you got the clarity, but you lack the willingness, then you could be one of those people

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who 15 years down the road has a drawer at home with 791 newcomer chips, two 30 day chips, one

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60 day chip. And in 15 years, you've never seen a 90 day chip. And I got to tell you, that's a hard

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way to do alcoholics anonymous, and it takes away the opportunity for all of the gifts that this

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program has to offer. You know, this is a giving program they say, and I think that's true except

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in the beginning. And in the beginning, it's not a giving program. It's a getting program, you know,

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and the eight basics that you got to get are sober date and a home group and a seat and a posse and a

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book and a sponsor and a commitment and a God. And if you get those eight things, you can't go wrong,

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you know, and then you use those eight things. And as you go along, it switches from a getting

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program to a giving and you start giving those things to people and our lives get immeasurably

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better. I was sitting here doodling a couple weeks ago and kind of drawing out what I thought was a

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cute pretend business card. And I had seen I drove a friend up to the airport from Tupelo to Memphis.

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And as you go along, what's it called Winchester, Westchester Avenue, you turn off the highway to

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head to the airport. It says Westbrook auto body shop. And that's my last name. Oh, that's cute.

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So I was sketching like an auto repair car. I don't know why, you know, I'm a nurse. But

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what I did was double hyphen, a re hyphen pair shop, the double a repair shop thinking that's

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a and I thought that was pretty cute. And then I started thinking about it. And I went, No,

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it's not cute. It's profound. Double A is Alcoholics Anonymous and really means again,

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re means again, and pair, P I R means to connect or to bond. And that's what's happened to me in

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Alcoholics Anonymous, I have been repaired, I have been reconnected, rebonded with a God

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and with myself and with other people and with purpose and with principles, I got to tell you,

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I am blessed and overpaid, without a doubt, you know, and I'd like to tell you that Nancy got

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sober. You know, she saw me do this, and she was completely disinterested, had no interest in

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sobriety. So I got her a big book. And it was third edition, which is a, you know, has a more

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porous cover. And she used it as a coaster for her Crystal Rocks glasses filled with bourbon or

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tequila. And, and I don't know, I was maybe seven weeks into my sobriety. And I was headed out to a

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meeting. And she goes, Oh, my God, you're going to one of those things again tonight. I said, honey,

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AA every morning, CA every night. Yes. But I've told you before, you don't have to be sober to

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come. And it was like, she heard it for the first time. And she went, what? Well, could you wait a

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minute? And she ran in the other room. And I heard the sound of one ice cube dropping into a glass

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and then her pouring her liquor. And I heard, and she did a couple of lines and, and she came out

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with a smile on her face and she said, well, let's go. And I said, all right. And off we went and

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people would hug her and their head would pull back the alcohol coming out of her pores, you

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know, and they just say, honey, we love you keep coming back. And she'd say, I'm just here to

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support Jay. I'm just here because I'm lonely. And what happened in my first 90 days, she caught

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alcoholism through her ears. And on my 90th day, she stood up and said, my name is Nancy Morgan

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West. I'm a cocaine addict and an alcoholic. And she stayed sober the rest of her life,

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another 23 and a half years. And she died 11 weeks to the day after our 42nd wedding anniversary in

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my arms in our home on hospice with pancreatic cancer. And she died a sober one, you know, and

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people say to me, man, don't you hate God for taking your wife? And I say, absolutely not. I

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don't think God took my wife. I think the pancreatic cancer took her life and God was there

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to receive it. And I wasn't sure I could stay sober through her death, but I got real clear that

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I was willing to disrespect the program that gave Nancy so much, that gave Jay so much, and that

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gave Jancy so much. We were that AA couple and we were Robertson Boulevard strong. I was the

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steward of log cabin for 18 years. Nancy was on the board of directors of the West Hollywood

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Recovery Center from the from the day they opened and until that last couple months when she just

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couldn't - couple months before death when she couldn't do it. And so I just reframed my pain,

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a small price to pay for a lifelong love affair, small price to pay. And I took my wedding ring off

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and took my ring and Nancy's to JR, a custom jeweler in there, a private custom jeweler in

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Beverly Hills. And I said, here are the rings, melt them together and make me a new one. And

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that's what I wear today. You know, it's thicker and wider. It's a combination of our two rings.

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So you kind of have Jancy speaking tonight. I'm so glad about that. I want to tell you that it's

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pretty amazing that we did everything we were supposed to. We got commitments, we got the posse,

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we went to meetings, we were of service, we took commitments, we got sponsors, we worked steps,

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we did all that. A little hesitant about reading the book, you know, and I'm like this arrogant

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dick. And I said to my sponsor, well, why should I read the book? I mean, I'm going to meetings

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in Beverly Hills and Brentwood and Pacific Palisades and the boo, because it's too hard to

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say Mala. And I'm hearing these speakers that are powerful and moving and poignant. Why should I

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read that antiquated book? And my sponsor said, because those moving, powerful, poignant speakers

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will have shit coming out of their mouth. It's well intended, but 180 degrees. And what the big

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book of Alcoholics Anonymous says, and if you haven't read the book, then you're like a dead

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dry leaf on a windy day, blown back and forth across the street by the opinion of the last

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speaker you heard. And if they're entertaining, you may be more likely to believe to read the

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book, you know, because here's the deal. They say, don't go to a treatment center. Oh my God,

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you're buying yourself a $50,000 big book. What a waste of money. But the book says on page XXVI,

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in the doctor's opinion, we favor hospitalization for the alcoholic who is jittery or befouled. And

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they say the road gets narrow, but the book says on page 55 and 75, that we're on a broad highway.

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And they say the women stick with the women and the men stick with the men. But nowhere in the

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book does it say that. And it's clear that all of the early women had male sponsors. And I've had

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male sponsors six of my 33 and a half years, and female sponsors 27 and a half of those years,

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you know, and Nancy and I have both sponsored gay men and straight men and gay women and straight

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women from the get go without regard for sexual orientation or gender. It's just about one

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alcoholic carrying a message of depth and weight of hope and transformation. Got it. Thank you to

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its suffering alcoholic, you know, and they say you can't date in your first year. But on page 69,

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the big book says we don't want to be the arbiter of anyone's sexual conduct, dot, dot, dot,

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we put each relationship to this simple test is it selfish, you know, and they say you're not sober

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if you're taking psych meds or pain meds. But on page 133, and I'm paraphrasing the book says God

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has wrought miracles in our physical and mental health. However, he's also gifted us with wonderful

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practitioners, including the doctor, the psychologist, psychiatrist, who can be

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indispensable to the alcoholic. So obviously, I've read the book, and I just didn't want to be one of

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those guys running around telling everyone what they can't do and what they should do. And oh my

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God, and just being as wrong as could be, you know, so read the book. And everything kind of goes full

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circle. It's very interesting. So I am a high school dropout. I'm a high school dropout who

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has taught and guest lecturer at Harvard Medical School, USC School of Medicine, UCLA School of

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Medicine, at Yale School of Nursing, UCLA School of Nursing, and every registered nurse program,

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at least 10 of them in the Los Angeles area. One of my next colleagues who's been invited back

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to the prisons, the California Department of Corrections has had me come back to do five-hour

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training for staff and inmate volunteers of the hospice on being with dying. The largest maximum

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security prison in the United States is Angola State Penitentiary right outside of Baton Rouge,

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Louisiana. And that's the prison I go to more than any other in my space. 89% of the men there

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will die there because it's Louisiana, and they have sentences like 311 years to life, 244 years

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to life, you know, but the number that gets me is that 92% of the men at Angola State Penitentiary,

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the largest maximum security prison in the United States, 92% of the men there were under the

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influence when they committed the crime that put them there. So in the big book of Alcoholics

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Anonymous says that we either get sober or we face jails, institutions of death. It's not being

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dramatic, you know, it's just being factual. And they also have an active death chamber at Angola

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State Penitentiary, and I've stood in that death chamber with the warden. I mean, you can feel the

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energy and it's very interesting. Sometimes my mouth just runs without thinking before I open it.

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I don't know, six, seven visits back, I'm in that death chamber with Beryl Kane. He's the warden,

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Beryl Kane, sweet man, good old southern boy with a good old southern name. And I turned to him and

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I said, "Beryl, the last three guys executed in this room, what'd they do?" And I had absolutely

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no reason to ask that question and no reason to get that information, but I asked, and he looked

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me dead in the eye. And he didn't know, but I knew that had I committed the crimes that I got away

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with in California, had I done them in Louisiana and been caught, tried, convicted and sentenced,

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I could have been in that death chamber under very different circumstances and y'all would have had

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a different speaker than I. But he looked me in the eye and he said, "Jay, while I'm not unwilling

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to carry out the court mandated consequences of the prisoner's behavior, I will tell you that

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every man who's executed in this room, I hold his hand, I tell him he's loved and he's not alone."

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And it's like that warden lives what any of you who have ever heard me speak have heard me say,

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and that is that God has no grandkids, only kids, and God doesn't make junk. And yes, that is true

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for every single one of you here tonight. And it's true for me. And no matter how many times

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I went out into the world and tried to behave in a way that would validate the lie that when God

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made me, he made junk. The truth is that it's a lie, that God has no grandkids, only kids,

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and God doesn't make junk. So here's the deal. I'll close by telling you I'm country and that's

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how I always closed my pitch when I lived in LA. Drove a big black Dodge Ram pickup truck for 27

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years, wear Lucasi cowboy boots, have a big cowboys of faith belt buckle, say y'all,

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listen to 105.1 country music. My favorite kind of music is country music. My favorite group is

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rascal flats. My favorite song is God bless the broken road. And all I can say is God bless the

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broken road that led me straight to Nancy Morgan Westbrook. And God bless the broken road that led

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me straight to Alcoholics Anonymous and God bless the broken road that led me straight to God. My

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name is Jay Westbrook and I'm an alcoholic. Thank you. It's my story. I mean, I tell it,

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but my job, the one I love doing is my walkthrough on applying the 12th through difference to

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romantic relation. Monday through Friday, 730 AM. No, that's LA time. Monday through Friday,

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730 AM. The ID is 844-258-7346. And the, and the password is log cabin, one word with an uppercase

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L and an uppercase C has to have one word log cabin. And, and we'd love to have you,

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it's usually about 90 people every morning from all over the country, all over the world.

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Different secretary, but it's always a one hour, 20 minute speaker and sharing. Yeah, absolutely.

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Hopefully to see you there. Yeah. You too. Good night. Thank you, Tracy. Yeah. It gets real good.

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Feeling changes. Yeah. Francine ward talks about you want self-esteem do a steamable act and you

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get self-esteem. Yeah. Not from affirmations, not from the label in your clothes or the car you

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drive or the zip code you live in, but self-esteem comes from doing a steamable act and she's 40 some

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years sober and just amazing and love that woman. So, yeah, absolutely. Abraham, you good? Yeah,

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truly my pleasure. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to skedaddle here y'all. Everyone stay sober,

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get a great weekend and we'll see you on campus.