Angela's Journey: From Cop Daughter to Sobriety
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Angela's Journey: From Cop Daughter to Sobriety

Episode description

Angela reflects on growing up in the San Fernando Valley as a police officer’s daughter, navigating rebellion, family violence, and the loss of her mother to addiction. She describes how the 12‑step program helped her confront a lifelong love of alcohol and the ongoing challenge of staying sober. Her story highlights the impact of childhood trauma on addiction and the power of community support.

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Hi, I'm Angela. I'm an alcoholic. Hi, everybody. Welcome. If you're new, welcome to Alcoholics

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Anonymous. Thank you so much for asking me to participate in my sobriety and thank you

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for your share. I wonder if we ran some of the same streets. My sobriety date is September

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22nd, 1997. My sponsor's name is Lori L. and my home group is Principles Before Personalities

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Book Study on Thursday night. All of that is really important for this alcoholic. I

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was thinking when you were talking, what it was like for me as I grew up in the San Fernando

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Valley in Granada Hills. My father was a police officer and I was a cop's daughter. That was

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hard for me. I'm the kind of girl that in school all the way through, I was smart, but

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I didn't want to be smart. I always wanted to be cool before I wanted to be smart. I

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would leave honor classes and go into detention because I wanted to hang out with the guys

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who had the spider tattoos on their wrists and the big down jackets and all that stuff.

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I don't know that I ever sat and thought about anything that I did in my life really for

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a long time. Even in sobriety, all I knew was I pretty much lived by default. I take

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a drink and then I don't know. I'm the kind of alcoholic who's not afraid to be an alcoholic

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at all. In fact, I'm pretty arrogant about it. Going through school, I'm half Mexican

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and half white and that was really difficult for me growing up. There were a lot of fights

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going through junior high. I felt like there was always some sort of fight and I was the

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one in it. Going through those years of just being introduced to pot, back in the day when

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pot was like pot where you just smoke it and then you eat a lot of pop tarts, not now where

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you smoke it and then you're psychotic. It's a little different, but I think going through

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life, I just liked getting high. I just like drinking. I love everything about alcohol.

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I like the glasses that were, I mean the glasses, the bottles that were behind. I love Mexico.

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I always said from the time I got here, me and my best friend, we've been trudging the

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road together for almost 20, well, I have 25 and she's coming up on 25 years and I always,

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we have a deal. If one of us is going to go out, we have to call the other because odds

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are we probably won't both want to do it at the same time and I'm like Mexico or bust.

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I like places. I love Vegas. I like a place that respects my alcoholism. You know, Vegas

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respects my alcoholism. There's no shutting down. There's no last call. You just roll

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and that's, that's how I like to, I like to drink and I like to use and I, and I'm pretty

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serious about it. I have a blast, but in my mind I'm serious about my alcoholism. You

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don't run out, you know, you make sure that you've got enough to get you between two,

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two AM and six AM. Right. When there, when it's last call for me, it's, it's like a deployment,

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you know, it's last call. And I send like six different people out to go get booze,

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like go pick up, you know, go pick up a case and then we're all going to meet at, at, you

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know, Tom's house or something. And then you figure you send out six and if three get lost

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along the way, at least you get three back, you know, as soon as the, as soon as the booze

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arrives, I start hiding it, you know, I hide it. I mean, I'm the girl who's hiding it behind

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the cereal in someone's cupboard, whatever house I'm at in the lettuce drawer, you know,

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I can't run out. I can't run out. And I wasn't an everyday drinker for a long time. I don't

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think I was ever really an everyday drinker, but going back. So in my house, my father

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was an alcoholic and I can say that cause he says he's an alcoholic now and he's actually

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in recovery and by the grace of God, the 12 steps and what you guys taught me, my father

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saw my, my life change as an example. But growing up in my house was, it was not fun.

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He came home and he was tense from the streets, you know, he worked Rampart division for 20

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years. He was tense from the street and he had four girls, you know, and, and, and our

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house was like, it was just batten down. Like you could not get in that house. You could

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not get out of that house. Everyone, you know, it was the days of, you know, the hillside

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strangler. It was the days of Richard Ramirez, right? Serial killers were going on in the

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San Fernando Valley. And, and I just remember just being so scared always yet my dad was

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my hero and my father's not a big man. Like it's interesting when I look at him now, he's

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like five, eight, but God, my father was just enormous to me. You know, he just was everything.

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And I was a daddy's girl. My mom left me when I was three years old. And in 1996, my mom

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died on fourth and spring and she lived my life on Skid Row. And when I was three, my

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sister was an infant and, and my mom never came back to get us. And, and what I know

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today is it wasn't that she never came back to get us. It was that she could never stop

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drinking and using. I'm sure she probably meant to come back and get us. And I don't

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know about you, but I always mean to do things when I'm drinking. I really do. Like I mean

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to go to work, you know, I mean to pay you back. I mean to pay my bar tab. I mean to

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register my car, you know, I mean to get insurance. And like, I'm always in the big book. It says,

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we judge ourself by our intentions. The world judges us by our actions. And I'm the kind

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of alcoholic who is always trying. I'm just trying to get it together. I'm just, I'm just

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trying to get it together. And I grew up in a house where there was a lot of violence.

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And as a result, I came out a pretty violent girl and I didn't understand the difference.

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You know, I didn't understand because in my house, when you don't do what you're told

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your head. So when I'm in a relationship with you and you don't do what it's, what you're

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supposed to do, I just hate you. And that just made sense to me. You know, that was

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love for me. Love was chaos. Love was dramatic. Love was intense. You know, punk rock years,

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you know, phases, Fabian's like there was always a nightclub and, and things were going,

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I remember when I was 18 years old, you know, my father always said, young lady, you live

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by my rules under my house, period. You know, I said, yes, sir, to my father, you know,

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there was no that, that there was no, my dad knew where I was all the time. You know, when

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my friends were, I was getting high in junior high, but when everybody was like popping

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the fence and going to do what they were doing, I would stay on the fence. Cause if I hop

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that fence and I get caught, it's not going to go well at home. You know, I didn't want

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to fight. I didn't want to be the girl who was fighting like earrings off fighting. You

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know, I wasn't white enough to be white. I wasn't Mexican enough to be Mexican. It was,

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it was just, there was a lot going on and I was always in love with somebody because,

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you know, there's always someone that you're looking to, to make the part of you that doesn't

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feel enough, feel enough, you know? And that's what I was looking for all the time. And,

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and drinking and using just, it just became a thing. And in the eighties it was, it was

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Pat Benatar, you know, it was, it was like we were wearing lingerie and fishnets and,

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you know, and it was like, you know, cocaine's a big part of my story and I drink to use

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cocaine and I use cocaine to drink. And I think they just, for this, for me, they're

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just a beautiful combination. And I gave that combination, you know, a good decade plus

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in my life I used for 20 years. And, and I just, once I, once I had it in me, I just,

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there was just something that happened to me that just felt so right. And in the big

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book, it talks about that, right? Like I get the ease and the comfort from a drink. I get

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the, I get that, like, I know what it's like to feel like, I like the glistening of the

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bar. I like dark dingy bars. I like bars that open at 6 AM. You know, I, I, when I was,

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I married a guy when I was 18 years old. I was in a relationship with this one guy who

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was a hairdresser. He was my first love. I loved him when I was in elementary school

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and I used to go kick him in the shins every day, you know, and like run away. And, and

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it's funny, he's my hairdresser today and he still has, he has like bumps in his legs

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from when I'd kick him really hard. And, and then I'd run away. I wanted his attention.

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And I met, I met my ex-husband, you know, and he was Irish and he had green eyes and

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he was a skinhead and everybody was afraid of him and everybody wanted him and he wanted

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me. And that was all, that was all a young girl like me needed at the time. You know,

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I didn't know what I needed. I didn't know values. I didn't know beliefs. I didn't know

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connection. I didn't know the things I know today. I didn't know what the inventory has

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taught me. I didn't know what you guys have taught me. All I knew was that some everybody

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wanted somebody and that somebody wanted me and that made me feel important. And when

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I got here, I needed to feel important because I never felt enough. So I had to overshoot

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the mark, right? It was like I was never enough or it was too much. It was just always such

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an internal battle. And when I drank and I used, it's like, it didn't matter. Like none

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of that stuff mattered and alcohol became my medicine and alcohol made the, made the

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playing field even. And I, and nowhere in my life has ever made the playing field even

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until I came to you. Alcoholics anonymous makes the playing field even. We don't care

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what you look like, where you came from, what's going on with you. We all are alcoholics and

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we all have a same solution. And I understood camaraderie. You know, I joined the military

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when I was 18 and a half. It seemed like a good idea at the time. You know, I was on

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a vendor and there was a commercial on and you know, there were helicopters and you know,

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there was stuff going on in the commercial and then there was this woman. And what I

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realized now, like some, it's a different place for me today. It's like a tender place

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when I think about it. But what it was at the time was, you know, there was this woman

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and she was standing in front of the room and it looked like she was teaching and it

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just, I just, I didn't know what that was, but it kind of looked like she just knew,

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I don't know, like what she was doing, I guess maybe in the world. And then it just said,

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be all you can be. And I forever will say that be all you can be is probably one of

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the biggest parts of my story. Because when I saw that there was a knowingness that I

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didn't know what I didn't know, but I felt something that I knew I wasn't being all I

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could be like, I didn't know what that meant. I didn't know what I was here for in this

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world. You know, I didn't, I had lofty dreams or whatever. I just knew that that hits something

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in me. And, and I went down to the recruiting station, you know, like a week later and my

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ex-husband who was my boyfriend at the time had been in the military and you know, he

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was a ranger and there was a whole thing. So I went in the, I went in the army and I

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joined in March and they had a delayed entry program. And I love, I mean, I'm an alcoholic.

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I love to make commitments that I don't have to do for a really long time, right? Because

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then I feel like I'm making good choices, but I don't really have to show up for them.

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I just get to like, feel like I'm making them. So I signed in March, but they didn't pick

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me up at 5 AM after a long, long night of using and drinking until November. So from

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March to November, I had permission. I mean, I was about to serve the United States. So

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I had permission from March to November to just get it on, right? Like just, I was already

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doing it and I just maxed it. I had three goodbye parties. I mean, it was just, you

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know, let's go into the army, you know, it was just whatever we could do to drink and

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use around me going to the army. We did it. You know, I hung with a really tight crew.

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It's a crew that I, I actually still miss today. You know, a few of us, a couple of

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us got sober. A few of us died and the rest of them can kind of enjoy their drinking.

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I don't love the lives they live from the inside. You know, I like it. I'm not the kind

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of person who wants to talk clean and live dirty. Like I want to, I want to live clean

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and talk clean. Like I want my insights to match my outsides today. I don't want to be

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someone in the rooms who acts like I know what's going on. And then I'm, you know, I'm

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doing stuff on the side. You know, I want, I want to do this thing. I want to do anything

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with everything I am. That that's how I am. I, anything I do, I do it with all of me.

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And so when I, when I got, so I go off in the military and I'm there for four years

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and I'm in South Carolina, you know, I go through basic training and that's just, I

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can't, with the detox in basic training is so intense. I am so sick. I have made a horrible

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mistake. You know, I was like, Oh, this, this is so not Demi Moore. You know, this is so

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I'm scrubbing a tooth, a toilet with a toothbrush. I am nauseous. I am, I didn't know that I

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was dependent on alcohol at this point. I am just, I am so lonely away from everything

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that I know. Cause what I knew was the pod and we drink and we use and we do all nighters

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for like three or four days. But you know, you know your people and I knew nobody and

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I was there and I was just, Oh, there was no way out. And, and it was the first time

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I ever understood real commitment, like real, no matter what, you know, with the exception

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of killing myself or getting pregnant or being insane. And you have to be super insane because

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they've invested in you. So you don't just get to like, have a bad day and they're like,

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see you later. You know, you, you gotta really have lost your marbles to get out of government

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once they own you. And I fought, you know, I just fought, I fought and I fought and fought.

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That man I married, he beat me and I beat him. You know, I wore steel toe Doc Martens.

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You know, he was a punk rock skinhead who dove into, you know, mosh pits. And I was

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the girlfriend who just, you know, he, he threw the first blow and then I was in, you

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know, it was just, it was madness. It was like, they didn't Nancy natural born killers

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and true romance, you know, and, and from, for the alcoholic in me, it was heaven because

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it was just so wrong. You know, everything was just so wrong and I didn't hit a bottom

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for a long time. Like I would have, I'd be hung over where it's like, Oh, I don't feel

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good. And you go get like a McDonald's cheeseburger, you know, you're like, Oh no bubbly stuff.

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And you kind of make it through the hangovers, but I didn't hit like a bottom for a long

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time because I was, I was rolling, you know, it was everything from limousines to Hollywood

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to dingy bars in the Valley to, so it was a lifestyle for me. We're at the beach all

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day. We'd start partying at Malibu in at five, you know, we were, it was a thing. It, it,

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it owned me. My alcoholism just was me. Angela was an alcoholic, you know, living in untreated

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alcoholism. And on September 21st, 1997, I was taking a shower and I was getting ready

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to go out for the night and I wanted to go dancing. I love to dance. The truth was I

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never really danced when I was drinking, but I thought it was going dancing. Right. But

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then I'd end up at the bar in the bathroom, you know, you know, cocaine in the bathroom,

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the bar, the bathroom, the bar, the bathroom, the bar, the bath. I mean, literally I'd spend

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more time in the bathroom stall than I did on the dance floor, you know, and, and I kind

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of prayed and I was just like, God, you know, the God of my understanding then, which was

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the one that my parents gave me, which was super confusing for me and really was contradictory

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to what I humanly felt about this existentialism that I think this human experiences, but nonetheless,

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they gave me this God and I, and I prayed to it and I just said, God, I just hope I

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can't find any drugs tonight. Like I was always negotiating. Like I'm just like, it says in

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chapter three, right? Like we're going to move from brandy to wine. It was like, I'm

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just going to drink beer tonight or I'm not going to have Jagermeister. Like I shouldn't

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have Jagermeister, right? Like that's, that's bad. And I'm just gonna like, maybe that's

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wine, maybe some wine, you know? Cause I consider wine like, you know, like wine and, you know,

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I like a long Island iced tea. Like why wouldn't you more bang for your buck? It makes so much

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sense to me, right? Like how many shots are in one glass for the same price of this? I

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mean, I don't understand why everybody doesn't do that. So, you know, it was just, and, and

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I prayed and something happened that night and I couldn't find what I wanted and I couldn't

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find what I needed all night long. And I'm the kind of girl, like I walk up to you, I'm

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in a bar, you put a credit card down, I'm going to run your credit card all night long,

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whether you know it or not. You know, I'm, I'm not proud to say that I manipulate and

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take advantage of people and I don't do it sexually. I do it mentally, but nonetheless

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I rob people of them, of the work they do. I take their money. I take their energy. I

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take their emotional capacity. I led guys on like I did what I needed to do to get what

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I wanted and what I needed. And, and that night was hard for me because I couldn't connect.

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Like I couldn't meet the connect until I did it like three in the morning at like a finally

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a last minute, you know, after party. And I ended up in the Beverly Hills hotel, which

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sounds super fancy and I'm not a super fancy girl. I mean, today I have some fancy things

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because God and Alcoholics Anonymous has taught me how to suit up, show up and be responsible.

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So I have things because cumulatively my behavior has changed, but I ended up at the Beverly

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Hills hotel and I have a hostage. I always take a hostage, a male or female. Someone's

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with me and we're going on the ride. You know, I had a friend, she's Bolivian and she used

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to go, mama, how come every time I'm with you on a date, it lasts for so many days,

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you know? And it's like, cause you're in and we're hitched. You know, I had like this,

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you know, I didn't grow up in the streets, but I had this street mentality. Like we're

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in, we roll, you know, that's just what you do. And you stay with each other until there's

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no need to stay with each other anymore. And she needed to go to work the next day. And

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I told her to call in sick, you know, because I don't care about people's rent. I don't

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care that she had bills to pay. I don't care that she could lose her job. I'm like calling

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sick. She's like, no, I don't want to call in sick. I said, why? She goes, I never call

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in sick. I'm like, perfect. Call in sick. This is great. You've got a clean record.

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You can call in sick. And she didn't call in sick and she left. And I remember I was,

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there was some strange guy who I didn't know that I just met and there was a full mini

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bar and a quarter ounce of cocaine and she was leaving. And thank you God that, that

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in that moment, instead of staying in that room where I could have put myself in danger,

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which I had done many times before, something in me made me walk out and I remember I was

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mad at her the whole way home. We have to take a cab home because I don't know where

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my car was because I lose my car a lot. And you know, I lose my car and I use my driver's

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license for sure. Often when I'm drinking and, and something happened and I couldn't

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fall asleep on September 21st, 1997 when I got home and I, I drank my beer and I took

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my Tylenol PMs and I tried to come down and any downers that I had and I couldn't do it

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and what I realized today is I hit a spiritual bottom and I reached out to, to somebody because

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I had a friend who had gone to the Valley Club and she had got sober and long story

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short I somehow had some woman's number in my phone and I called her and, and, and there

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it was. And one alcoholic started talking to another one. And as she started talking

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to me and I was scared and I had no desire to be sober and I had no desire to do what

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I didn't even know this was, I just knew that I didn't want to feel that way again. Like

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I just didn't want to feel the way that I felt. And I don't know that I was sick and

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tired of being sick and tired cause I'm telling you right now, I know I have run in me. I'm

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not an alcoholic that comes to these rooms and says, if I go out again, I die. I'm not,

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which is why I have to work harder because I've still got run in me. I, my untreated

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alcoholism will channel into workaholism and it'll go different places when I'm not spiritually

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centered, but I know for a fact that I've got run in me and I'm honest with myself and

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in the big book, it says that for, for me to know that I'm an alcoholic, I have to be

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honest with my innermost self. Like you don't have to know I'm an alcoholic, but I better

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know I'm one. I don't think Alcoholics Anonymous is the only place to get sober, but it's the

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only place for this alcoholic just to get sober and to stay sober one day at a time

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because I am full of myself. I am full of ideas about how I can rearrange your life

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and my life and the world's life so that everything can be okay so that I can feel better. And

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I called her and she took me to a meeting and I was super snotty, weighing about a buck

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10. I didn't have a car. Both my boyfriends had left me. I had no money and I showed up.

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She took me to an AA meeting. It was the super big, the big top Pacific group AA meeting.

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And anyone who's been there knows there's a line to get in. Right. And I'm standing

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there and I must, I'm sure I'm half naked, you know, like mini skirt and heels and I'm

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looking at her and I'm smoking and I'm like, why are we standing in this line? And I've

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gotten all ego with no, no self esteem and I'm, I'm empty inside, but I've got a lot

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to say about everything. And, um, and I looked at her and I said, you know, you know, and,

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and she looked at me and I say this in every share because one day I'm hoping that I find

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her because she saved my life. So I always share this part and I always get emotional

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because in that moment she could have said, well then leave. In that moment she could

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have had a resentment in me against me because she was trying to help me and I had an attitude,

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but instead she just put her hand on my shoulder because she knew that I was a sick alcoholic

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and she knew that I was filled with ego, self-centered pride. And she said, it's okay. So we'll get

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in there pretty soon. It's okay. And she just kept me just settled enough to make it in

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that meeting. You know, I don't remember that meeting. I don't remember much of my first

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year of sobriety. I smoked a lot of cigarettes. I was on unemployment. I ate Red Vines constantly.

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I had anxiety attacks. I had panic attacks. I used to think every time an airplane, I

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just remember this, you probably never heard this. My response probably never heard me

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say this. I use every time an airplane used to fly over, I would literally tuck and tuck

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as if the plane was crashing into wherever I was living. And I remember that went on

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for a long time. I'd have panic attacks while I was driving and have to go in the slow lane

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and repeat the serenity prayer because I didn't know how to have feelings. I didn't have feelings

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from the time I was 12 until I was 32 years old. So when I had a feeling, it felt it was

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a lot like I couldn't breathe and I would panic and I would panic about the feeling

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that I was having that I didn't understand it was a feeling and then I couldn't breathe

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and I didn't feel dizzy and I would just do the serenity prayer loud and, and be in the

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slow lane on the freeway driving. And anyone who knows me, I do not drive slowly and just

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trying to like get it together. And, um, and I got a sponsor and some guys stood up in

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a meeting. I was at the 12 noon Moorpark. And after the meeting, are there any announcements?

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And he was like, Hey, I'm putting together a softball team if anybody wants to play softball.

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And I love softball. And I, if I had would have had a different life, I would have played

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softball all the way through and I would have done college ball. And I, I like that. I have

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like, I know we don't wish to shut the door. You know, we don't ever, I have regrets about

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some things. Like I were some things I wish I would have done. It's okay that I didn't

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do them. Cause I love what I'm doing now, but there were some things. So he stood up

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and he said, you know, we're playing softball and, and I went up to him, you know, in my

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high heels and my mini skirt. And I was like, I play softball and you know, and he and I

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joke about it. He's been my friend for almost 25 years because we made a joke cause he looked

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me up and down and threw me in right field. And, um, I had a resentment and, and, and

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after he saw how I played, I played first base for the next like decade when we played

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together, but we always joke about it. And, and I went to the dances, you know, and I,

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and I met a girl and, and she just, she spoke here, you know, Sari, Sari's my best friend.

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And, um, I have six months more than her. And, um, there was a guy, you know, his name

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was Steve. He's, he's dead now. And, uh, he was in a wheelchair and he had, he was sober

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for seven years and then he had gone out and long story short, he had a big attitude and

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probably more women than I'd ever seen any guy have. And Sari and I, we were out one

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night and Steve asked me to meet him for dinner and Sari was at the restaurant and I saw Steve

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cause Sari and I didn't even know that I cared. Cause I didn't even know that I wanted Steve.

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I was just there, but what was I doing? But I got mad cause I just get mad. And then Sari

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had an attitude and I turned around and was like, you know, what's up with you? You know,

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and there I was ready to throw down with Sari and you know, she looked at me and she started

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crying and she's like, I liked you, you know, and then boom, we haven't, we haven't, we've

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talked to almost every single day for the past 25 years. You know, she's my best friend

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and my tragic buddy. And we just started doing the crazy things you do when you're new, you

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know, when there was an event, we went, when there was a panel, we went, when there was

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a marathon meetings, we went, when there were dances, we went. I mean, we just, we just

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AA just caught me. I'm so lucky AA just caught me. Not, it doesn't catch everybody. Some

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of us go in and out. Some of us want to be caught and we can't get caught, you know,

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and it made sense to me. Alcoholics Anonymous to this date makes sense to me. It is a practical

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application of a spiritual program that lets me from the time I opened my eyes to the time

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I go to sleep, live in this world. And it, it's a design for living that works for me

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and I can do it like I can do this with you guys. You guys love me. You guys listen to

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me talk about the same things over and over. I called a woman every day at any time and

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she always answered the phone and I never said, hi, I'd really like to know how I can

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stay sober, change my life and be of service to the world. I called her and said, do you

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think he'll ever call? You know, my boyfriend who, when I got sober, left me for the coke

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deal. You had both Eric braids and really big tits and I was super jealous. And I was

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like, do you think he'll ever call me? You know, and she would just talk to me like,

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you know what, sweetheart, they always call because they always call. And then we would

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just talk about AA and we would just talk about my day and she would just be there.

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And one phone call at a time, one meeting at a time, one activity at a time, my days

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started stringing together. My days started stringing together and I started understanding

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things like maybe when you hugged me, it was okay. Cause that hugging thing at first, I

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was like, why are you touching me? You know, like I don't, I don't like people touching

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me unless I want you to touch me. I'm still like that. You know, if you're in my space,

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I've, I've softened a lot over the years. It took me nine years to realize I'm not supposed

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to put my hands on somebody. And that was embarrassing for me because I didn't know

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that I wasn't supposed to hit people until my sponsor took me to breakfast one day at

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Twain's and she sat me down and I put my hands on somebody and she said, Angela, I want to

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talk to you about something. And I was like, you know, I didn't have a mom. I had a dad

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and I just, and, and I said, okay. And I'm sitting there with my little bacon and eggs

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and she said, sweetheart, she said, we don't hit people. And it was revelatory for me.

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I was kind of like, you know, when your dog goes, it was like, and she just said it was

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so much love. She goes, we don't hit people. And I just, it was a new idea for me, you

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know, alcoholics anonymous gives me new ideas and it was a primitive one, but I was like,

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oh, okay. She said, we talk about things and we pray and we don't, we, that's not how we

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resolve things. And I was like, oh, okay. You know, and, and then I had sponsors teach

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me things like it's, you know, when you're talking, I'm supposed to listen to what you're

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saying instead of think about what I want to say as soon as you're done. Right. I learned

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that I should walk up to you in a meeting and I should say, you know, hi. And this meeting

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is very, I love the AA in this meeting. I had like six people come up and say hello

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and put their hands out and it was warm. It's it's, you know, I love the, I like to be the

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loving arms of alcoholics anonymous. I learned in this room, be careful who you decide not

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to like, cause you never know who's going to save your life. You know, I learned that

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when I have a resentment, it's because I'm afraid I'm not going to get what I want or

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I'm losing what I have. And that my self centered fear, fear centered on me, fear centered on

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what I'm not going to get or what I'm going to lose is going to drive me to make decisions

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that are going to cost me the magic of God. Right. I learned that the life that I want

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for myself is hardly even close to the life that God's got for me. You know, what it's

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like today is I was just talking with Karen, you know, I don't get to, I don't get to sponsor

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as many people as, as I'd like to. And because God gave me a career that's big, I own a company.

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I do something I never intended on doing. I'm very clear. Alcoholics anonymous is for

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fun and for free. And I never wanted to mix that in the world of recovery. You know, I

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never wanted to mix my recovery where money was in and all the doors closed at one point

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in my career, like literally every door closed and I'm highly employable because I was so

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inconsistent that I've done just about everything. I was like a paralegal. I was a makeup artist.

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I was a this, I was a that, I was a soldier. I was, you know, I've done so many things

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in my, I was a secretary. I worked in aerospace. I mean, you know, and, and all the doors closed

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and the only door that opened was to the mental health industry. And I was, ah, you know,

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and, and, and I needed to pay my rent because God puts me in circumstances and situations

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that demand attention because I'm the kind of alcoholic that doesn't hear a whisper.

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You know, I, I, I hear the whispers more today than I used to, but when it's big stakes on

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the table, when it's love, when it's money, you know, romance finance, when it's big stakes

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on the table, I kind of have to be hit in the head a couple of times, you know, because

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I really still, I think it's human, it's instincts that talks about it in the 12 and 12, but

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I still really pages 60 to 63, you know, I still really think sometimes that my plan

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is just, it's a good plan. You know, I know that thing of like, tell God your plans and

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watch God laugh, you know, and all that stuff. But there's sometimes when, you know, I don't

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let go easily. Control is one of my biggest character defects. It's why it's also a great

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asset. You know, I run a great company. I know how to make things happen. I'm a doer.

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It's also a deficit that I will, you know, God's got to like, God's got to just, I have

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to be almost bleeding before I'm like, fine. I surrender, you know, and then when I surrender

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each and every time the peace of God, spirit, universe, higher power, whatever it is for

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you washes over me. And for those of us who know that feeling, there is nothing more beautiful

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than when the peace of God washes over you and you know that you are exactly where you

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need to be in the moment. And I wish I could tell you, do I get there faster than I used

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to? Yeah. Do I intuitively know how to handle situations differently? I do. I mean, I'd

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be, you know, otherwise I hello work a program, right? I do. I get there faster, but I still

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get caught up in my same stuff, right? I still can get caught up on any given day. You may

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say something and what you say and what I perceive, there could be a gap in between

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it. You know, perception thinking is the problem that this alcoholic has. My thinking will

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take me to my drinking, my perspective and how I translate what you're doing or what

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a situation is. If it is rooted in fear, I am on my way to some painful places or closer

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to a drink. If it's rooted in faith, I'm on my way to maybe learn some lessons, some recovery,

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some hard times. I'm going to get sloshed around a little bit because that's what life

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does. Life, life, life, life. How I respond to life will define the experience that I

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have in life. And that's what AA gave me, the power of knowing that only in the first

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step in my power list, two through 12, I am empowered. And what God said with Alcoholics

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Anonymous is check it out, Angela, put down the booze, put down the drugs and just one

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day at a time, why don't you just try and let me guide you with breadcrumbs? I pay attention

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to what people say because answers come in your words. I just heard something said to

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me the third time in a week period and I was like, that was three different people. And

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they say it randomly. Like someone will go, well, did you ever think of, you know, and

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then suddenly I'll hear it a few times and I'm like, I'm getting something like something's

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coming to me right now. I'm supposed to listen to it, but if I'm so focused because I'm afraid

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if I lose this thing, if this thing changes and I'm only looking here, I'm missing everything

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that God's going on out here. I'm missing things that could be amazing. And I'll close

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with this in the, in the third step prayer, which was the prayer that I, I just, it changed

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me because I get to offer myself to God because I'm here. I want to be all used up when I'm

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out of here. My mom died in 1996 and I had to pull the plug on her even though I barely

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knew her. And that's a whole nother story. And I had a spiritual awakening there even

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though I was still asleep because I was still using. But I know that when I'm out of this

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one, when this chap, this life, whatever this is, and I don't know what it is and I don't

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know what God is because in the big book it doesn't say you must find God and know what

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God is and define God. It said, check it out. Just seek God, whatever God is for you. Just

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look for it. I know that I want to be used up. I don't want to die the way my mom died.

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She never really lived her life. She never really lived her life. I don't want to die

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and not live. So I want to risk. I want to take the jumps. I want to take the leaps.

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I want to go to the emotional places that are super uncomfortable for me. I want to

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cry in front of you when I'm sad. I don't want to apologize for it. I want to be messy

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because I have a feeling and I could be wrong and maybe I'm just nuts. I have a feeling

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that at the end of it, the only regret I would have is not tasting everything, right? I just,

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I just want to do it. Whatever it is, I want to, I want to die knowing I lived and Alcoholics

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Anonymous has given me that. So thank you.