Annie’s Path: Sobriety, Service, and Breaking Generational Curses
S23:E06

Annie’s Path: Sobriety, Service, and Breaking Generational Curses

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Annie shares how her sobriety since 2018, guided by her sponsor Patrice, has transformed her life as a single mother of four, a college graduate, and a dedicated H&I volunteer. She discusses the ripple effect of alcoholism in her family, the power of service, and breaking generational curses.

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- Thank you everyone.

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My name is Annie and I'm definitely an alcoholic.

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- Hi, indeed.

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- Thank you so much, Karen,

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for giving me an opportunity to come

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and give you guys a piece of who I am.

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Usually we start with how it was,

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but I don't want to start there today.

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I want to share how it is today, you know?

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And today I'm a sober member of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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I have a sobriety date of September 23rd, 2018,

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and I have a sponsor.

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Her name is Patrice,

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and she has a sobriety date of January 9th, 1979.

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And to me, it's always very important to bring her

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into my shares or every much thing that I do,

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because if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be here.

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She chose not to drink in 1979,

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and in 2018, I chose not to have a drink.

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So if she wouldn't be here,

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there would be a possibility that I wouldn't be here.

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And for that, I am grateful.

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She's taught me how to be a woman

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and walk around with dignity and grace.

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You know, she constantly reminds me

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that we took the third step in her car.

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And I think I'm gonna get like a bumper sticker

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or something like that,

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because every time I call her with a problem,

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she's like, honey, we took that third step in my car.

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Do you remember?

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We took the third step, so it's one, two, and three always.

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You know, I don't work a perfect program.

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You know, I am very nutty inside my head most of the time,

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but today I get an opportunity to like, you know,

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redirect myself when I can.

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You know, I don't sit here and act

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like I'm this perfect person, 'cause I'm not.

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I'm very, so far away from being perfect,

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even though I try to aim to be perfect,

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but there's no such thing that's an illusion.

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You know, I've done a lot of things since I got sober.

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You know, I've been able to be a better mother,

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you know, a better daughter.

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You know, my mother sleeps well because I am sober.

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You know, I am the glue that keeps my family together.

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I am a single mother of four, two of who I gave birth to

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and two who I didn't, but they're my children.

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I have custody of both of my nieces

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because my sister's doing 21 years in prison

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because of this disease, you know.

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I come from a background of alcoholism and institutions,

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which are incarcerations.

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And a lot of the time, you know,

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I speak about my family because it's a family disease.

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You know, it's not just me drinking,

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they're being affected by it.

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You know, it's just a whole ripple effect

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in every way, shape, and form.

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You know, all my siblings and I,

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you know, we're all alcoholic addicts.

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You know, my parents are not.

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My parents, you know, they have their own issues,

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but they never drank, they never used,

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they never abused anything.

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But I remind my mother especially that, you know,

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it trickles and I remind her to look at her family

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and the way that her brothers live

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and there's definitely chronic alcoholism

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amongst a lot of members of my family.

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And, you know, I've done a lot of things.

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I'm definitely embedded in service.

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H&I is a big part of my sobriety.

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It's the highlight of my whole recovery, honestly.

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When I go to H&I meetings, like, I get filled beyond,

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you know, I'm treasury of H&I, you know.

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I have my own panels, I'm of service in the convention

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and I love the convention.

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It's just something that I look forward to every year.

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It's like going to Palm Springs when you used to drink

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and do all kinds of stuff.

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But today I look forward to that weekend

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of going to the convention and staying up late

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and doing all these things.

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And I've been able to find amazing friendships in the rooms.

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You know, I've never had a problem with finding friendships,

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but those friendships that I'm able to trust.

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You know, I have a lot of trusting issues that I live with

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that I'm currently still trying to work on,

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but, you know, they're definitely good.

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You know, this is a really good year for me.

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You know, in three months I'm going to graduate

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with my master's degree and it's a big deal.

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You know, I'm first generation in my family, you know,

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to even think about having a future today.

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I get to have the dreams of owning my own home.

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I get the dreams of, you know, more than the basic needs,

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right, the American dream.

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Is that what it's called?

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You know, I come from immigrant parents

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who migrated here from Guatemala

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and I have to be a little bit better than them.

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And that's what I pass on to my children.

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I tell my son, you have to be better than me.

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I gotta be better than grandparents.

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Your kids are gonna be better than you.

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And that's how we start breaking

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these generational curses, right?

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Because I don't wanna live.

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Like, I don't want to just survive.

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I wanna live.

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You know, I wanna be able to get up and go,

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but through that comes a lot of struggle.

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You know, there's been a lot of pain in my life

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that I had to work through, but through pain comes growth.

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And I have grown in this time that I've been sober.

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You know, I am grateful that I am an alcoholic

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because I get to be the woman I am today.

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You know, I'm raising kids in sobriety.

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You know, my kids don't have to worry

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about their mother driving drunk.

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My kids don't have to worry about mom

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missing events or whatnot, you know,

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but I wasn't that type of mom anyways.

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And I think that's what made me even more dangerous.

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I wasn't, what do you call it, a functioning alcoholic.

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I was still going to school.

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I was still taking care of my kids.

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I wouldn't drive a truck.

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I wouldn't do all these things.

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So in my mind, I didn't believe I had a problem.

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But in reality, I was just trying to numb what I felt inside.

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And I've never had a problem.

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Like, I was never in denial of what I was.

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I do believe I was born an alcoholic,

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but I just wasn't ready.

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Like, I wasn't there yet.

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And I feel that, you know, everybody gets a number call.

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Then when that number's called and it's your number,

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then you have a good chance.

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And that's how I feel.

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I feel if I would've came into the rooms

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before my number was called, I would not have stayed.

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And I stay because I don't want to take that welcome chip.

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That my ego is so big that I'm like, I'm never,

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I hope I never have to experience.

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At the beginning, it's cool, right?

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When you're in your company, you're like,

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oh yeah, my chips, my chips.

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But then I don't know what that feels like

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to retake that chip, right?

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And I don't want to,

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'cause I know people how horrible they feel inside

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when they have to stand up as a newcomer.

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So I don't want to experience that.

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I don't want to cause pain to the people

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that have fell in love with me sober

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in the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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When I want to drink, I think about my sponsor

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and what I would do to her if I take a drink.

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Because she's invested her time, her effort,

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her time in trying to help me.

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So, you know, I get that and it's just not her.

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It's a group of women and men.

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And if I go out, what would I do?

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You know, I know that if I go out, I'm not coming back.

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That's just the truth.

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You know, I'm not going to sit here and pretend.

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I'm not, so I hold onto my seat.

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I drill nails into these seats

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and hold onto the best that I can

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because I know if I go, I won't.

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'Cause I do love alcohol.

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I love how it makes me feel.

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I love the way that it took me away.

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So I can't sit here and pretend that I don't love it

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because I really do.

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You know, I just don't obsess over it anymore.

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I always share that I see alcohol like a lost love, right?

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Like that love that you wanted so bad,

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but you just can't have because it's going to kill you, right?

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So like, that's how I see it.

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That's how I comprehend it in my mind.

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And, you know, great things have happened.

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You know, I really do.

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Like, I love being sober 95% of the time, you know,

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and there's still that 5% where I wish like, oh my God,

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like, can I just go?

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Can I just go?

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And, you know, I have my dreams

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and I think within my dreams, I'm trying to like, you know,

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reconstruct something that isn't.

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But, you know, going back, I'm going to go now.

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I'm going to go back to, you know,

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I come from a line of abuse.

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You know, I'm a product of child abuse.

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Any abuse that you can think of,

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I experienced physical, emotional, sexual abuse.

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I have experienced.

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And those aren't the reasons to why I became an alcoholic,

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but I do believe that they're contributors

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to why I became an alcoholic.

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Would I say if I was raised differently,

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would I maybe have been differently?

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Possibly, but I don't know, you know,

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I don't have the answers to that.

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You know, I was raised by my father, by my brother.

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You know, we were taken away at a very early age

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from my mother.

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My mom did not know how to control her rage.

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And, you know, back in the day, old school,

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traditional parents would abuse their children.

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That's the real word that you used.

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You know, they would hit you with things

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and they shouldn't hit you with things.

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And, you know, my mother got us taken away.

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And, you know, for a long time, I blamed her like,

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you know, through my whole alcoholism.

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You know, I always, you know,

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we suffer from victimology, right?

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Like, we're always blaming somebody else

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for what happens to us.

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You know, as a child, I do believe

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that my parents should have done different and been better.

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But, you know, I try to remind myself that,

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you know, my parents are uneducated.

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There's a lot of ignorance that they live with.

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So how can somebody with a lot of ignorance,

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a lot of time, raise good kids?

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You know, they're trying to do the best they can

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with what they had.

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It took me a long time to figure that.

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And through the 12 steps of alcohol, it's anonymous.

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I was able to further that because, you know,

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me and my father, like, there was a lot of that.

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My dad did the best he could.

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My dad was a great father.

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When he was raising us, you know,

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he took his three kids in as a single parent.

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But there was still a lot of damage that was done.

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My father was a compulsive hoarder.

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You know, I think that's how he dealt with his feelings.

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You know, I don't think that he knew how to,

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like, how to regulate his emotions.

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So he just bought things like, you know,

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we lived in a three bedroom apartment full of stuff.

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Like, that's like, they didn't come check up on us then,

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you know, like, but it is what it is.

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You know, I don't blame him.

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You know, my dad didn't beat me, you know,

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but there was a lot of that emotional,

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that a lot of that verbal abuse because him and my mom

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at the beginning couldn't figure it out, you know,

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because again, there's a lot of ignorance.

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So how can two ignorant parents, you know,

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find a way to co-parent?

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And there was a lot of damage done there.

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You know, my dad would always do great.

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My mother, you know, he'll tell us things

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that parents should not tell their children.

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You know, my brother grew up angry.

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I grew up angry.

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So growing up, there was just two emotions in our home,

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either, you know, we were sad or we were angry.

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So most of the time, most of the family was always angry

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because it's a better feeling.

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I would rather be mad than feel sad.

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That's just the truth.

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Like if I had to pick one of both,

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I would rather be that because when I'm sad,

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a lot more stuff comes up.

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Even when you're angry, but you know, that's how it was.

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And my dad was this man that had the biggest ego

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of the world.

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And, you know, he'll walk around without a shirt outside

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with his scars and I'm like, oh my God, oh man,

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I just go back inside.

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And you know, like I love my father, you know,

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he's no longer with us, but I love him, you know?

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And because I was sober, when my father got sick,

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I had the privilege, the privilege to change his diaper,

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feed him through his feeding tube.

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You know, my father suffered an anoxic brain injury.

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He never took care of his health.

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You know, we found him and after that, you know,

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he was a total care and at the last year of his life,

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I was able to like grab his cheek and like sing with him

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and do things I never was able to do before.

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So I think that that was a gift.

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It was a gift that God gave my family, right?

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Because my dad just was so miserable within himself,

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you know, and that happens.

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And I think he never found freedom.

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He never found the freedom of whatever he experienced

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as a child, as an adult, but his last year of life,

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he wasn't fully here, but he gave us the best of him.

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You know, I was able to do a lot of things.

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And for that, I am grateful, you know,

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because my dad did teach me a lot of things.

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And what was that?

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To, you know, respect myself, you know, be independent,

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never rely on a man, you know, things like that,

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that a man, so I do remember, you know,

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he was very traditional and you know,

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when he passed away, it was difficult,

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but I had alcoholics anonymous to just to guide me.

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You know, I was able to give him a great funeral,

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you know, laid him out, you know,

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and do a lot of things that I would probably not have done

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if I wasn't sober because my dad was the hardest person

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I had to deal with in my sobriety because we clashed so much.

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You know, like when I did, when I was making my amends

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and I was doing my steps, my dad,

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I couldn't do it to my dad.

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Like if I don't feel something generally,

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I just can't do it.

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Like if it's not natural, I can't do it

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because then I feel that it's fate and I couldn't do that.

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And I couldn't make an amends and like my sponsors like,

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okay, let's put him in a shelf.

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Just keep doing the next right thing.

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Just keep being of service to your dad.

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Just keep showing up because he was very ill.

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So I was the only, the only child

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that took him to the doctors, did everything

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because my brother was doing 15 years in prison.

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My other sister's doing time in prison

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and my other sister's just in her own world

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doing her own thing.

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And we put him on the shelf, you know,

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but when he got sick, I was able to do this living amends

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and it felt good.

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And I continued and you know, when he was sick,

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I had these conversations where I know

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that he had forgiven me, you know,

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and I forgiven him because there was a lot of that.

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It's, we did hurt to each other, you know, as children,

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we could hurt our parents and our parents do hurt us.

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But it's not my, like my place to judge them.

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And you know that I am grateful

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because when we did these steps, you know,

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I was able to realize that this man did the best he could

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with what he had and the same thing with my mother.

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They're doing what they can.

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Like every parent out here and you know,

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I'm really grateful for that.

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And you know, with my mother today is great.

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You know, she still yells at me.

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You know, I'm 34 years old, that lady still yells at me

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and I'm like, hey, you know, like a grown woman, bro.

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Like I'm helping you, but I think it's just who she is.

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And it's okay, you know, because I love my mother.

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And today it's like, I'm gonna take care of my mother

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for the rest of her life.

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The way that she changed my diapers, I'm gonna change hers.

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Because it's not my place for me to judge

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the way that she raised me.

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It's not, but I did that for a long time.

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When I was drunk, I used to tell her

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she was a no good mother and she got her tits taken away

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that what type of mother, I did so much damage on alcohol.

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Like I'm also a recovering addict.

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And I did more damage on alcohol than I did with drugs.

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You know, tequila is just a horrible thing.

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Like I think it should be put like a controlled substance,

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like honest to God.

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Like we do some things that, you know, we should not do.

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And, but today I'm able to do that.

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Like when I made my amends, my mother was the first one.

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And I remember we were at the Swami,

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like she likes being at the Swami.

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So we went to the Swami and I was there

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and I remember we're seeing some chairs

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and we're eating a tamale 'cause the tamale is from the Swami

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I'm really damn good and I'm like a tamale person, right?

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I love to eat tamales, like I love it.

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And I started my amends and halfway through my amends,

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she starts crying and she says,

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"I already forgave you the moment that you stopped me."

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And that reminds me of today.

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It's like my brother's an act of alcoholism, right?

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And today, like we're building this closet in my house

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and you know, I'm still very controlling.

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I'm working on certain, in different areas I have let go,

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but there's certain things that I have to have control

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because people just don't do it right, right?

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They just don't, like you have to like supervise, right?

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And then my, it's funny 'cause my brother goes like,

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"I think you need to go to a meeting."

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And he's always backlashing AA, like he's very anti AA,

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he's very atheist, he doesn't believe in God.

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So today when he's like,

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"Oh, you need to go to a meeting, like the devil's here."

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I was just like, "Who are you?"

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You know, she's like, he was sharing that

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and I was just like, but it just,

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it made me feel good inside, right?

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Because again, he's very anti AA.

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He's very like, "F this, F that, it doesn't work."

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But you did when he said that,

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I'm like, yeah, it's clicking.

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Now you see the difference to why it comes.

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So AA is not for people who need it,

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it's for people who want it.

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That's just the reality of things, you know?

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Because I could drink, I can stop,

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I cannot drink if I choose not to, you know?

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I don't have to drink,

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but I come here to find a new way of living,

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you know, to free myself.

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So early I heard, I hear like,

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"You come to alcoholics normally to be free,

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"but the question is how free do you wanna be?"

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'Cause I'm trapped, like there's days I'm free like a bird

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and I'm flying to Asia,

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and there's times I'm stuck here in the same place.

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Like that's how it is.

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Like there's times I feel like I'm stuck in a little box

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and there's times I know what I want,

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there's times I don't know what I want,

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there's times I want that and there's times I don't.

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Like it's just, and I feel like as I go,

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as time goes, it's gonna get easier

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and there's times it doesn't.

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Like I thought the beginning was the hardest,

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like the holidays and then the drink,

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but then life starts getting really real

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and you're like, "Oh my God, where do I go?"

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But then like, I do what I know how to do.

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I pick up the phone, I call my spouse

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and she reminds me again of the one, two, and three.

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And I'm really grateful for that woman.

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I really am.

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Like she's older in age and I sometimes start thinking like,

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"Oh my gosh, she dies, what am I gonna do?"

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What am I gonna do?

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I think about stuff like that

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because she holds a place next to my mother.

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She really does, that's her place.

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Because she's taught me stuff

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and she's completely different than I am.

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I'm a woman of color

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and she's completely white and Irish.

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And that's fascinating to me, right?

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Because growing up, that's not what I saw.

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Like I always thought if I came into the rooms,

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I was gonna have like Hispanic, old school,

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like ex-gang members, sponsor.

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This ideal thing that I feel that I need,

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but God gives me what I need.

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I've never had a problem with religion.

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My mom has instilled religion very early on.

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We're practicing Catholics

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and today I'm able to do that with my own kids.

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Like I have an 18-year-old son

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who I put through all his sacraments

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and he went to a Catholic private school

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and I said, "Look, I'm gonna show you what we practice

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"and when you find your way, if that's not what you want,

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"that's okay with me, but just do something."

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Today, our house is alcohol synonymous.

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I know that my son has done his little experiments,

16:05

he's navigating through life.

16:07

But just a couple of weeks ago or a couple of months ago,

16:09

he comes and he's like,

16:11

'cause me and him have a really good relationship.

16:12

I had him when I was 15 years old.

16:14

So I have grown with my child.

16:16

I have grown into an adult, into a mother

16:19

and he's growing into a young man.

16:21

So we have a very big connection.

16:24

I'm still his mother, but I'm also his friend.

16:26

So that line is always open.

16:27

We talk about sex, we talk about his,

16:30

this girlfriend he wants to talk to

16:31

and all these other things.

16:33

And the other day he's like,

16:35

my friends, we went out and they offered me alcohol.

16:37

And I'm like, "Oh yeah, what did you say?"

16:39

He's like, "Oh, if I drink, it's like backstabbing my mom."

16:41

And that felt really good because he's seen what I was.

16:45

He remembers me going into his room, being crazy drunk,

16:49

feeling this type of ownership over him

16:52

and the kids and everybody else.

16:53

And he sees this mom today.

16:55

And that just made me feel really good

16:57

because I do remind him that this is a family disease.

16:59

Like his father is also an alcoholic, not in recovery.

17:03

I use my sister, my brother, everybody's like,

17:06

"Look, none of us start drinking

17:07

thinking that we're gonna fall in love with this dog."

17:09

None of us thought that the first time we drank something

17:11

that we were gonna become these full-blown alcoholics, right?

17:14

We drank either to experiment,

17:16

we drank because it's socially there,

17:18

whatever your situation is.

17:20

Like when I started drinking,

17:21

I didn't think in any way that I was gonna become this abuser

17:26

or use that as an escape or anything in that manner.

17:29

So I try to like tell him the truth.

17:32

You know, I don't shelter my kids to what reality is.

17:36

I feel that we have to be open.

17:37

It's like when you tell your kids,

17:38

"Okay, don't have sex, but why?"

17:39

Like my parents always told me,

17:40

"Don't have sex, don't have sex."

17:41

Okay, I was going to get pregnant at 14,

17:43

but they never said why?

17:44

You know, today I'm this type of mom, right?

17:46

It's like when my son and I had to talk,

17:48

I'm like, "Okay, you don't have sex, this is why."

17:50

When I'm on Google, I typed up STDs

17:53

and I showed him what it could happen to, like, you know?

17:56

Like I'm that type of mom.

17:57

Like I'm a visual learner,

17:59

so I feel like everybody else is.

18:01

But it worked, but it's the truth.

18:02

So I can't shelter them from reality

18:05

because there's gonna be a point that they're gonna go.

18:07

They're gonna go and they're gonna explore.

18:08

So as a parent, like I felt like I had to go all the way

18:11

and I'm doing the same thing with my nieces.

18:13

You know, I have my two nieces who are nine and 10

18:16

and they get treated just like my own.

18:18

I may not have brought them into this world,

18:21

but they get everything that my own children get.

18:23

Because that's something that I do see amongst family.

18:25

When they have, they bring in a different family member,

18:28

they get less than the other.

18:30

And that affects someone because I grew up like that, right?

18:33

Me and my brother were the black sheeps of the family, right?

18:36

I came from a family who parents stay together,

18:39

no matter what, cheating, beating,

18:41

whatever, they stay together.

18:42

Like, and they thought that that was the right thing to do.

18:44

So me and my brother were always the black sheeps, right?

18:47

We love the streets and we did alcohol and we did drugs.

18:50

You know, they treated us less than,

18:53

like when holidays will come, you know,

18:54

everybody will get great things and we didn't.

18:56

So I know what that feels like.

18:58

I know what that feeling of rejection

19:00

or somebody else making you feel less than.

19:02

So today I don't do that.

19:04

I try to be equal in every area of my life.

19:06

Well, at least when it comes to my family,

19:07

because I don't ever want them to experience that.

19:09

The moment that I made a decision

19:11

to take them in as my own,

19:12

I took a nose to treat them as my own.

19:14

And I love that, you know,

19:16

because today it's something I was pregnant.

19:17

I remember I used to pray, right?

19:19

I always thought that God loved me

19:20

more than everybody else, right?

19:21

'Cause I'd be like, "Oh, I'll pray and then I'll get it."

19:23

I was like, "God, please don't give me any girls.

19:25

Please don't give me any girls."

19:26

And I get these two boys and I'm like,

19:28

"Oh yeah, God answered my prayers.

19:29

I didn't get any girls."

19:30

He's probably not a girl.

19:31

I got something waiting for you.

19:33

Like in a couple of years, you're gonna have two, you know?

19:36

So like, that's how I see it a lot of the time.

19:37

And I have conversations with my God.

19:38

I really do, you know, sometimes.

19:40

I think like my sponsor always tells me,

19:41

look, when you're talking, like you talk,

19:43

when you're praying, you're talking to God.

19:45

When you're in silence, he's talking to you.

19:47

But I can't stay in silence for too long.

19:49

So I don't think I let him talk to me, right?

19:51

So that's why I think I'm,

19:53

she tells me you're in cuckoo town again, right?

19:55

So like, that's what she describes it to me.

19:57

She's like, "You gotta get out of cuckoo town.

19:58

You're in cuckoo town right now."

19:59

And she's like, "We don't fight with crazy."

20:02

Sometimes I love to fight.

20:04

I come from the streets.

20:06

I gangbanged for a long time.

20:08

My brother did too.

20:10

For growing up, I was more of a town boy

20:12

'cause my dad didn't let me wear little clothes,

20:15

makeup, any of that stuff.

20:16

So I believe that's what I was or something.

20:19

It just feels better sometimes.

20:21

But as I grew older, I realized that there's beauty

20:25

that comes with being a woman and I developed that.

20:27

And today I go back and forth,

20:29

but it's okay.

20:31

When I came into the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous,

20:33

I was rotting from the inside out.

20:35

Nothing crazy happened.

20:36

I can't say that I lost my kids.

20:38

I can't say that I went to jail.

20:39

I can't say that I was driving on the influence

20:42

'cause I wasn't.

20:43

I came into the rooms because at that time

20:45

I was in a relationship with somebody

20:47

who was in active addiction.

20:48

And when he went to treatment the first time,

20:50

they're like, "Look, if you don't get sober,

20:52

this man's not gonna stay clean."

20:54

And my only desire for that man has always been clean

20:57

because every human being in this world has the tension.

20:59

And when we drink and we use, we suppress that.

21:02

We don't allow ourselves an opportunity

21:04

to be the best version that we can of ourselves.

21:06

And in my mind, I'm like,

21:08

"Well, I'm gonna show him how to stay sober," right?

21:10

'Cause I'm an alcoholic.

21:11

I wanna prove people wrong.

21:14

I wanna be right.

21:14

And that's the reason why I came in,

21:17

but then I started finding something here.

21:19

I started finding, when I came in,

21:21

I hung around with all the old timers.

21:23

My sponsor has 44 years of sobriety

21:25

and she had a tribe and I came in here knowing no one.

21:28

And I did what this woman told me

21:30

'cause I saw something in her.

21:31

I wanted what she had.

21:32

And she's like, "Oh, you gotta go to a women's meeting."

21:34

And I found my home group,

21:36

which is Hole in the Sky, the Women's Stag,

21:38

on Tuesday nights.

21:38

And she tells me,

21:40

I met her at an interview with an alcoholic Saturday night.

21:43

And then she didn't even ask me if I wanted a commitment.

21:46

This lady just goes and says,

21:48

"You have the coffee commitment now."

21:50

And I was just like, "What the hell?"

21:52

Okay.

21:53

But I guess that's how it was back then,

21:55

but I'm very traditional, I'm very old school.

21:57

So that works for me.

21:59

And I think that's for me in her work

22:00

because her way of being works with my way of being.

22:03

And I started fellowshipping with them.

22:05

Like they didn't even ask.

22:06

I feel like it's so rude.

22:08

Like today you have to ask people, right?

22:09

Like, do you wanna go here?

22:11

Do you wanna do this?

22:11

Like, you know, but she didn't.

22:13

She's like, "Oh, we're going fellowshipping."

22:15

You know what I'm saying?

22:16

Okay, well, let's go.

22:17

And at the beginning, that's what I did.

22:19

I hung around with all these old timers

22:20

and they were schooling me and they were molding me, right?

22:22

They were molding me into this person.

22:24

And a couple of months past,

22:25

I started making my beautiful friends in recovery.

22:27

And they're like,

22:28

"Okay, it's time for me to go find your tribe."

22:30

But I was like, "But I like it here."

22:31

Like, I felt safe.

22:33

Like, you know, I was like the youngster

22:35

with all these, you know, OGs, right?

22:37

'Cause I call her an OG.

22:38

I call her an old dancer because she is.

22:40

Like, that's how I see it.

22:41

So I brought the mentality of the streets into the rooms.

22:44

Right?

22:45

In the streets, it's like,

22:46

what do you do when you're a little homie?

22:47

Like, you wanna kick it with the big homies.

22:48

Like, that's what you wanna do, you know?

22:51

And so here, I kind of see it kind of the same way

22:53

when I came in.

22:54

I'm like, "Oh, I'm the little homie.

22:55

Like, I'm new."

22:56

But, you know, they're the ones with time.

22:59

And they slowly kind of like,

23:00

the bird had to leave its nest and I had to fly.

23:03

And I didn't want to.

23:04

I was like, "No, I like it here, quirky Saturday night.

23:06

Like, just let me stay."

23:08

But they slowly pushed me.

23:09

And I'm glad they did because it's like a faring, right?

23:11

When you're ready to fly, like, you gotta go.

23:13

It's like recently my son is like,

23:15

I give him wings and we were having a conversation.

23:16

He's like, "Mom, you can't give me wings."

23:18

And then cut him.

23:19

And I was like, "But you don't understand," like, you know?

23:21

But it makes sense.

23:22

And that's, I think, what's happening.

23:24

They were allowing me an opportunity

23:25

to fly and discover myself.

23:27

And I have, because within these times of my sobriety,

23:30

I've been able to discover a lot of things.

23:31

Like, I thought I knew what love was.

23:33

I had an idea of what love was when I got,

23:36

before I got sober and when I got sober,

23:39

it intensified and it really understood the meaning of it.

23:42

And I just keep going, you know?

23:44

I keep going and, you know,

23:45

I'm really grateful in so many areas of my life, you know?

23:48

Today, you know, I'm getting my master's in social work

23:51

and I'm gonna work with children who are being abused,

23:53

you know, because I wish somebody would have saved me.

23:55

I really do.

23:56

I really wish that somebody would have said,

23:57

"Hey, look, let's take another route," you know?

23:59

I started drinking and altering my mind

24:02

and my body from the age of 13, you know?

24:04

And every time I drank, it went back to the same thing.

24:07

It's always back to the same thing, same thing,

24:09

that those unresolved issues, you know,

24:12

that deep traumatic experiences that we experience

24:15

as children or adults or anything.

24:17

And we think that that's normal, you know?

24:19

So I started getting into even these relationships

24:21

that I've been with.

24:22

They've been very unhealthy, you know,

24:24

because I'm a fixer.

24:25

Like, I think, like, my sponsor tells me,

24:27

"You are not God."

24:28

Even though sometimes it's like not necessarily God,

24:30

but maybe I'm like right under God,

24:32

you know what I'm saying?

24:33

Like, that's what I feel sometimes, right?

24:35

Like, I think I can fix people, but I can't.

24:37

And I've done so much work learning how to let go

24:41

because from trying to fix people is that control, right?

24:44

That control comes from fear.

24:46

Like, why am I being controlling?

24:47

Because I'm fearful that they're not gonna do it right.

24:50

So if I'm in charge,

24:51

it's like when I'm driving with someone.

24:53

I'm so anxious, like, "Oh my God, I'm gonna crash.

24:55

Oh my God, I'm gonna die in an accident right now."

24:57

Like, my biggest fear is like dying in the accident, right?

25:01

Because I've been in so many accidents

25:02

because I drove with a lot of people

25:04

who walked through their minds, right?

25:06

So when people are driving, I'm like that.

25:07

I'm just like, "Oh my God, I'm gonna die."

25:08

Like, I'm holding on.

25:09

I'm just like, "Am I getting old?"

25:10

All these things, right?

25:11

Like, I have a movie playing in my mind.

25:14

When I'm driving, I'm calm because I'll be able to break,

25:17

but they won't, right?

25:18

Like, that's how I see it.

25:19

It's like, if I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die.

25:21

If I'm driving, I'm not gonna die if somebody else is driving

25:23

because they're just like, "We don't know how to drive."

25:25

Like, what, you know?

25:26

It's just, just brain of mine, right?

25:28

Like, just brain of mine.

25:29

And then this is like,

25:31

and then I think about myself.

25:32

Okay, Sandy, do you remember when you learned how to drive?

25:34

Like, I was 14 driving a stolen car crashing into a church.

25:37

That's right.

25:39

So like, after I got, but it's that fear.

25:42

It all stems back from fear, you know?

25:44

Like from the God-forgiving's crashing into a church

25:47

in a stolen, you know?

25:49

Like, oh my God, you see things come up.

25:51

They come up without you even knowing.

25:53

And you know, I, yeah, oh God, that was cool.

25:57

So, it's fear, fear, fear.

25:59

Like, I'm trying to learn how to let go of that, you know?

26:01

I really, really am.

26:02

Because it's a horrible character defect

26:05

that from the fear comes to control.

26:06

And I don't.

26:07

Like, I don't wanna be in control all the time.

26:09

It gets tiring, you know what I'm saying?

26:11

Like, I'm trying to raise four kids, run home,

26:14

like, still trying to do my, like, all these things.

26:17

And you know, it's hard.

26:18

You know, I can't sit here and say it's not easy.

26:20

Like, I still have this crazy mentality, you know?

26:22

Like, when I'm driving and somebody pisses me off,

26:24

like, I still wanna run my car into them.

26:26

And I do play the tape because I'm like,

26:28

look, I got full coverage.

26:29

If I crash into them,

26:31

I think insurance, bro, they'll cover me and you, right?

26:34

But then I'm like, oh, but then I'm gonna get a point

26:36

in my insurance.

26:37

And if I get a point in my insurance,

26:38

I'm gonna have to pay more for my insurance.

26:40

And I have a son that's 18.

26:43

So I already pay high insurance, right?

26:44

So I have to play the tape.

26:46

Like, as much as I don't want to, I have to play the tape

26:48

because I'm very impulsive.

26:50

I make crazy, like, last week I got hair up my ass.

26:53

I need a new closet.

26:54

I need more space, more shelves.

26:56

Within the next day, all my stuff was out, okay?

26:59

I need to get through.

27:00

Like, and now, yeah, it's insane.

27:02

I make these decisions, but it's okay

27:04

'cause now I'm building a pretty cool closet

27:07

with a lot of space because I love,

27:08

I have a lot of clothes, shoes, and bags.

27:11

Like, I think that's my addiction.

27:12

It's like, my mom's like, "Son, you wore it one time."

27:16

But I said it, but I bought it.

27:17

Like, what's the problem?

27:19

You know, and that's, yeah, I know I have a big ego

27:21

sometimes and I'm very prideful, but you know, from that,

27:24

it's like, I work very hard, you know?

27:25

Like, I've worked very hard to be where I am today.

27:27

And you know, it's been good, you know?

27:30

It's been a good road.

27:31

And you know, I can't sit here and say, oh my God,

27:33

I'm gonna be sober for the rest of my life,

27:35

but I have made a commitment that I'm never gonna drink.

27:37

And we could do that.

27:39

We could make commitments, you know?

27:40

Like, right now I'm paused on commitments.

27:42

Like, I'm not making any commitments because like,

27:44

I'm still trying to like, fix myself a little bit, right?

27:46

'Cause Sandy's been in cuckoo town for a long time

27:49

and then she comes out and comes back.

27:50

It's like going in the hospital and coming out, right?

27:51

Like, that's how I feel lately.

27:52

Like, the last couple of months,

27:54

I feel like I got a 5150 hold and they let me out.

27:56

And I come back in and they let me out.

27:58

Like, that's how I've been feeling, right?

28:00

Like, in my mind.

28:01

But you know, I'm keep walking and I'm gonna keep jogging

28:05

and you know, I'm gonna keep raising my kids.

28:07

And like, my kids are the most important thing in my life.

28:09

You know, because if it wasn't for those kids,

28:10

I would not be here.

28:11

I think that like, I personally didn't want kids,

28:14

but I think God sent me my first son,

28:17

my second son for a reason.

28:19

I think that's the way that he was gonna save, you know,

28:21

from completely crossing that line.

28:23

Because if I would have completely crossed that line,

28:25

I don't think I would have found a way back, you know?

28:27

And today it's them.

28:29

You know, I wanna be a better mother because of them.

28:31

I wanna go get a career because of them.

28:33

You know, I have a child with multiple disabilities

28:35

and today I think about him when it comes to my future.

28:39

Like, I need to leave him well, you know?

28:41

I need to make sure he's okay when I'm not here.

28:43

And those are the things that I think,

28:44

'cause I'm over here thinking like 20, 30 years ahead

28:46

and some of my sponsors like, we gotta be here.

28:49

Like, you don't understand what is, like,

28:51

and you know, I go back and forth,

28:53

but you know, today I am grateful.

28:55

You know, because I'm living a very beautiful dream.

28:58

And today, like my little niece tells me,

29:00

Tia Sandy, I'm gonna be a social worker.

29:02

Like, yes, we got one.

29:04

You know, I'm always recruiting.

29:06

I'm always recruiting those social workers, right?

29:08

Because we need it.

29:09

So I'm like, yeah, you know me, my other niece, maybe not.

29:11

I think she's like a hippie

29:13

that's not gonna smoke weed, right?

29:14

Like, that's why I see her.

29:15

Like, her hair's on and stuff.

29:16

But you know, now my oldest son is in college.

29:18

He's gonna major in real estate.

29:20

You know, he's gonna be second generation.

29:21

Hopefully the kids are third.

29:23

And then it's gonna be beautiful.

29:24

Education is as important as anything else in my family

29:28

'cause that's the only way out.

29:29

I tell people, I say, look, I wasn't born into money.

29:31

You know, like, I'm not gonna marry into money,

29:34

so I gotta make that money, right?

29:35

Like, that's how I see it.

29:36

Like, but my kids don't.

29:38

Like, when I die, there's gonna be a will.

29:41

You know what I'm saying?

29:42

I'm about to get off this Medi-Count

29:43

and get some good insurance.

29:44

Like, those are the goals today, right?

29:46

It's like, I don't have that PPO or what is it?

29:49

Like, whatever, whatever it is, go like, you know?

29:54

And we are paying for, I already have our spots

29:57

at San Fernando Mission Catholic Cemetery.

29:59

Like, I'm waiting to die.

30:00

Like, but those are goals, right?

30:02

Because when my dad died, he left me dead, you know?

30:05

When he passed away,

30:06

we had to raise $25,000 to give him a good service.

30:09

Today it's like, no, when I die, my kids are gonna grieve.

30:12

They're not gonna worry about where we're gonna get this,

30:14

where we're gonna get that.

30:15

And like, my mother's thing, I would've paid for that.

30:17

Like, if she died,

30:18

she ain't gonna leave me in no $25 debt.

30:20

Like, she good.

30:21

And if you pay it sooner, you pay less, right?

30:24

So I'm just that person.

30:25

I'd rather pay for that and know where I'm gonna end up

30:28

because that's how controlling I am.

30:28

You see how crazy I am?

30:30

Like, I need to know where I'm gonna lay.

30:31

Like, I'm still controlling, I'm controlling music,

30:34

which picture they're gonna put.

30:35

Like, what kind of my damn casket's gonna be.

30:38

I do not open it if I don't got a full set of eyelashes.

30:41

Like, this is not a picture of me.

30:43

Like, baby, chill out, 'cause my kids,

30:44

don't you dare have an open casket

30:46

if I don't have my damn lashes, bro.

30:49

Like, I will come back, you know?

30:50

So it's things like that.

30:51

And, you know, again, Karen,

30:53

I do wanna thank you for the opportunity, you know,

30:55

to come in and sharing a piece of who I am.

30:57

And, you know, if you're struggling, just keep going.

31:00

You know, this too shall pass,

31:02

and just hold on to your seat, you know?

31:04

It's like if you're in Six Flags and Goliath is going down,

31:07

what you gonna do?

31:08

You go, "Hold on, don't put your hands up, just hold on."

31:11

You know, and that's what I do.

31:11

I hold on to my seat every day.

31:13

Thank you for allowing me to share.