Finding Fill in the Gaps: From Childhood Insecurity to Alcohol Use
S23:E42

Finding Fill in the Gaps: From Childhood Insecurity to Alcohol Use

Episode description

The speaker reflects on early feelings of inadequacy, name struggles, and constant searching for external validation that led to a pattern of alcohol use. Moving to California, family influences, and attempts to control drinking reveal a cycle of coping that still echoes today.

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She's still will drink from time to time, but she doesn't drink alcoholically and and for a long time

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I used to say my stepfather was a heavy drinker

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potentially potential alcoholic, but then he came to a

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He's alcoholic

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But as a kid, I always hated my name. I thought Ben was a wussy's name

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It seemed to me that everybody was cooler than I always named Mike, you know

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So we would play cops and robbers or Cowboys and Indians

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I just go, you know, call me Mike just call me Mike and they call me Mike for a little while

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They screwed up and I get pissed off and when I was about seven years old

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My brother was born and they named him Mike and I always hated that little bastard

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And I just I had this discontent this feeling like things were not quite right. I

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You know, I would whatever you had I would think if I had that it would make me feel better

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You know

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And I think if I got that hat everything would be okay and I would get that hat or one like it

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It filled this hole for a short period of time the hole would open up again

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I think if I got that bike if I got that bike everything would be okay and and

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And it would fill up that hole for a short period

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I'm just creating this vicious cycle of trying to find something outside myself to make me feel better on the inside and

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You know and if I'm not careful today that can still be a problem

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my my friend says my my

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my well-being

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Has a lot to do with how many Amazon boxes show up at my doorstep?

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You know if I'm sitting on my couch going I need I need I need you know, but I

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Maybe I

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had that discontent and

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You know, but from the outside perspective it probably didn't appear that way

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From the outside perspective people would say, you know, everyone likes you you have plenty of friends

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It was wasn't hard for me to get friends. I just didn't feel like it. You know, I just didn't feel like that and

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when I was about 10 years old, my father my stepfather had a job opportunity down in Huntington Beach and

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he said how'd you like to move down to California as if I had a choice and

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work were

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Six months later in a moving van and driving down it

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I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait to get together. I thought I'm gonna be a guest appearance on The Simpsons when it isn't

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It's gonna be great. And you know, I just couldn't wait and we're driving down the

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Hollywood sign I think this is it, you know, and we drive another 45 minutes to an hour

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two hours

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there's traffic to Huntington Beach and I

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would I realized I wasn't going to be making it to

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Hollywood on my bicycle and and it's funny is my first friend in California was this kid named John and John had just been in a

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Hot Wheels commercial and you know, and I hated I secretly hated him

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And but I wanted to be friends with him because he was in the Hot Wheels commercial

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maybe you could get me in but I didn't like him very much and

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as I

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moved a couple more times and I

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Remember being in elementary school right before going into junior high and and I were in this parent-teacher conference and you know

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You hear a lot of people. There's a lot of people with potential in a you know, and

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She did not say that I had potential. She said, you know, you might want to think about a

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trade but I

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I

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went into junior high and

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You know, hey, I barely graduated junior high normally here

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I barely graduated high school or barely graduated college

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But I'm an overachiever when it comes to being a loser and I barely graduated junior high and that summer

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Is that my friend's house and my all my friends been drinking by this point? I always told myself

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I'm not going to drink. I'm not going to be like my father. I'm not gonna be like my grandfather

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I knew that it was alcohol that made them live the way that they lived in

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this thing happens when you're excited to do something for me that makes me excited and I forgot about all that stuff and

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waiting for these 40s and Mickey's to show up and they show up around 1050 and I have to be home at 11 and my

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friend takes me outside and

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Like talks to me about how to drink it really fast and I drink this 40 real fast

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I start skateboarding home and I get this wave of comfort. I get this feeling like everything's gonna be okay

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and I knew that alcohol was gonna be the I'm gonna do this as often as I possibly can and

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almost immediately

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Gonna try to limit myself, you know, I'm only gonna do it on the weekends or parties

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you know and in a week or two, I'm

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Wednesdays aren't okay. And then once you drink drinking on Wednesday

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You're gonna drink too

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So I do that now with diets actually, but I

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Didn't as often as I can and I'm in high school at this point and counselor sits me down and says

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you're gonna need to go to an accelerated school to get the credits to graduate on time and

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Thanksgiving I go to my aunt uncle's house and my and my aunt feels guilty that I'm having some of these things and

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She's she likes to feel guilty. So it's not okay

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But she felt bad about it and she goes how do you know we'd like to pay for you to go to modern

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Private Catholic school in Santa Ana and and I have here heard about kids who go to this school

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They go to they go there. They they join a sport. They get good grades

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They go into great colleges and have great lives and I think you know, maybe that's it. I heard Catholic girls were easy

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So that was a blessing

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But then the second thought is is they're gonna drug test me. I don't want to stop drinking said no, that's okay

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I'm gonna go to independent studies and I go into independent studies. I go to school

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we could get these little packets and I go home and I drink every day and

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do my little packets in my room and barely leaving my house and

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Wait for my I started to get in this routine

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I'd wait for my friend Jeff to get out of school and go over his house

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We would get a couple Miller highlives and we watched dazed and confused every day

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And I think all good alcoholics we get into some sort of routine and I and I mean, I'm still to this day

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I like routine, you know, I just like I know what's what what's going to happen what I'm gonna do, but

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that was my routine and

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And we did this every day. I started to think, you know, if I go back to regular high school, it's gonna be like that

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You know, I'll only drink on the weekends. I'm gonna drink at parties

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I'm gonna go to school and join a sport and it'll be just like that and I get my grades back up and

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It was a fourth of July

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2000 and I met my friends outside. Oh, they stayed away from hallucinogens

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I had a friend took too much accident. They found him walking up and down West Mr. Bull are totally naked

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and I didn't really want any part of that, but

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Didn't think it was working so I took 30 some odd shots at various different types of boost and

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Went home that night. Well, I ran home that night

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so it's clearly

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working but I

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Jumped the fence and normally what I would do when I would get home, you know, good night mom go right to bed

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And for whatever reason that night, I just wanted to chat and walk in the house and I go how you doing mom?

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How was your fourth of July and she goes come here?

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You know and gets in my face and she's standing about six inches away from me and she goes blowing my fat my face

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I go

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and she goes you've been drinking had to do and takes me over my friend's house and and

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My mom doesn't know any of the people that I'm hanging around with because my mom is the type of mom that likes to ask questions

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You know and if you're hanging around the type of people I'm hanging around with they don't know the answers to this question

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so you just keep them away, but I'm drunk enough to tell her where it was and

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We go over there and she's yelling at four or five friends down the stairwell

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She's going on it and my friend passed walls at the top of the stairs and he goes we don't care just leave

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You know my good friends and he still had a penis and sharpie on his face from the night before

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he was always falling asleep and

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Yeah, I

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Quickly realized what they meant. I know one had to explain to me, you know, we step on the toes of our fellows in every town

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but I

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left there and and I always told myself if I get into trouble, I'm gonna stop and

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All that happened was I started doing worse things in order to get what I needed and my first sponsor says that

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We drink for as long as we can and then we drink for about eight months after that

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And that's basically what I did it and it just kept getting worse and worse and worse and I go back up to Washington

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to visit my real father and by this time he's my drinking buddy and we're drinking around the clock and

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My grandmother hears that I've been drinking and she comes over and sends me down in the car and she's you know

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Telling me how my actions make her feel and and and I'm you know, just warning me about alcohol and

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They said I'm gonna stop my son to stop and I get out of that car and I continue doing what I'm doing and I come

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home and

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My mom takes me to a family counselor and my stepfather's not there. He's done with me by this point and

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We're in this family counseling session for about 30 minutes and

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The counselor says, you know, what is it you need from your mom? And well, she never takes me shopping

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I was about to go back to regular high school. I wanted some new clothes and the counselor said why don't you take him?

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She'll spend some time with him and we never went to any more family counseling sessions

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that

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And I get to school the first day. I'm going to that different school so I could be a different person

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I don't always have this idea that I'm just gonna like recreate my life recreate who I am

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So I can be somebody different and and I get to school that first day and I'm walking through the campus

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I feel like everybody's staring at me. My skin is crawling. I can't handle being there

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And I had to leave and I had to drink and I do this pretty much every day

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Over the next month and a half. I think I went to school

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Cut well, I had this history teacher that would let me sleep

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so I would go into history take a nap and then leave school again, but

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month and a half goes by and I get arrested outside of the school and I

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Go into this youth shelter and I I'm in this youth shelter for a couple weeks

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And and I start to think that you know now I have what it takes now

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I have the ability to not drink anymore

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You know, I've been separated from alcohol for this period of time and and and I had you know

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It talks about it in the book, but I had this type of confidence that I wasn't going to drink

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I I knew I wasn't gonna drink and everything was going to be different now and

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I get out of that place and I haven't had a drink for a couple weeks at that point and

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I get to school that first morning and and you know, I I'm not gonna drink again, you know

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Just repeating this in my head. I'm not gonna drink. I'm not gonna drink

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I'm not gonna drink and I see my friend Jeff in the hallways and and he says hey you want to get out of here?

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I'm not drinking anymore. I'm not gonna drink it says Tim. Just got a bottle of Jack Daniels and a new bump

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It'll all start tomorrow, you know

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and every day after that is I'm gonna start tomorrow start tomorrow start tomorrow and

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This funny thing happens once I even I don't haven't even taken a drink yet

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but the moment that I decide that I am going to drink that day this incredible weight comes off my shoulders and

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another month or so goes by and I come home one day and I'm arguing with my mom because I haven't been showing up to

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School and we're arguing for 20 minutes and I just had no more fight

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You know, I this that prior month and a half or so every day

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I'm trying not to drink it and and I'm under the I'm starting to realize I'm not going to be able to do it on

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My own and and I just said I can't stop drinking and she said I will get you some help and she puts me into

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this outpatient treatment center in we're in this outpatient treatment center for a couple weeks and and

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This weird thing happens to me when I feel like alcohol is being taken away

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I have to drink even more and I had a friend tell me that a couple of these other things

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Would come out of my system fast. So I start you doing those two and

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After two weeks, they said my drug alcohol level was higher than when I come in

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And either I needed to stop or I needed to leave I knew I wasn't going to be able to stop

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I left I stole some money from my parents. I ran away from home

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I'm staying in my friend's shed behind his house. And when I say shed, it was nice

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It was you know had carpet on the ground and had some blankets

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And I start drinking a fifth of Jack Daniels every day

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And I start to realize like it would always look like I would while drinking I would I would go well

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I'm not that guy, you know

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See, you know someone I thought you know had just fallen apart. Everything would fall

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During this two-week period I'm like, I'm that guy what happened what happened?

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I don't understand how to get out of this anymore. I

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blacked out one day and

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I came to I was right new and I came to her and midnight walking out of a Hollywood video with the video stuff under my

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jacket and I came to as the buzzers were going off and kind of looked behind me and was

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Just keep walking and I kind of kept walking outside and two people came outside and said, you know

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Hey get back in here. And and again, I just had no fight and I turned around and went back inside

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Westminster Police Department picked me up and

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Mom comes to pick me up from the police station and probably by 2 in the morning at this point

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I get into her car and she looks like she hasn't slept in days and she's been crying and she says Ben

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I can't do this anymore

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If you want to live your life like that, you're gonna have to do it some every time I hear the phone ring

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I think the cops got you

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And I never wanted to make feel like that I never wanted to treat her the stream

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You know as a kid I would tell her

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Some beach and do all these things. I thought it was gonna be a basketball player

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In that situation most people would say I'm sorry the change they're gonna do it anymore

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I laughed at her treated like she was stupid

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The next morning. I got to a fistfight with my stepfather. There was a string

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Christmas Christmas morning. I

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Get a call from my mom around 8 9 in the morning

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My dad had taken my brothers and sisters to church and says, why don't you come over have some breakfast with me?

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And I go over there and I have every intention of being a good kid

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every intention of being who she taught me and

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I

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Get there. She said something. I didn't want to hear and started breaking things at the house and pushing her

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she called the police and the policing favor there in seconds and

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these two police officers are standing in front of their doors and

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They just said get the hell out of here kid. Get out of here

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You don't belong here anymore. And I left there. I went to this grocery store

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I stole two tall boys and Mickey's and I just wanted to recapture that first drink

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Why that feeling like everything was gonna be okay all the little problems in my life. We're gonna work themselves out

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but for whatever reason it didn't do what I needed to do that morning and

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I knew that it was gonna be this over and over and over again. It was never gonna get any better

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it was only gonna get worse and

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Starting to think that maybe I'm schizophrenic

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There's got to be something seriously wrong

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Had an aunt who was schizophrenic and I thought maybe that's got to be it and

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social services stepped in and said that I was I either had to go to an inpatient treatment center or they were gonna take me

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Away until I was 18 and I went in to this other youth shelter and there for a week or two

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You know, we it was about two weeks but I'm in there and ran away from there for a period came back and

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And I I'm just experiencing this misery that I can't even express. I just want to die

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I don't want to be here anymore. I don't want to do this and

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You know, I want to take you with me

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But on January 11th, I left there and I'm gonna go home

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I'm gonna grab some things the next morning. I'm gonna go into this treatment center

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You know, and I think that I'm gonna go into this place. I'm gonna learn their language

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I'm gonna get everybody back on their side and everything's gonna be like it looks there's no possible way

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I'm gonna be able to stop drinking on a whole time basis, but I'll go into this treatment center and get everybody back

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That night was my last drink here. It wasn't particularly my worst drunk and

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Telling all of my friends and I'll see you guys in six months and go home

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Next morning and take you into this place and this first person that I meet is a woman named patio

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You know

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the woman

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Another woman there says, you know, you remind me a lot like her. She was very angry, too

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But I look at this lady in like

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person, you know, I

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Realized later on. I realized that was a lot

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But I they started taking me to meetings about politics and I had been to meetings before that, you know

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But you know, there's no possible way that you guys are sober. I would see people take

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90-day trips and think you're just doing that because you think your p.o is watching, you know, and you know

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they're taking me these meetings and they start telling me to get a sponsor and you know in order for me to get to

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The next phase so that I can go home on weekends that I have to get a sponsor and and I started asking these guys

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To sponsor me and one said I don't have enough time for you. Why don't you miss that guy right there?

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Just said screw this I'm not doing more another a couple weeks goes by it's in mid-february at this point and

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I see that I'm talking to that lady Patti and telling her I can't find a sponsor. She says why don't you ask that guy?

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And there's this man named Andy and Andy had been sponsoring guys

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At that place and he was sober a long time six years, you know, I thought man that's forever

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You know, I walk outside. I said, hey, would you be my sponsor? He didn't give me one of these lines

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Why don't you read this and get back to me? Why don't you call me for the next couple weeks and we'll see him

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He said willing to go to any length for victory over and but he he didn't he said even this way where it was like

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It better be yes, or I'm not messing with you

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And I said I'll do whatever you want me to do and he said I think he said all right

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He starts taking me through the book

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I

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Had rather checked I'd read at the doctor's opinion in a bill store and thought who cares how am I supposed to relate to this?

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Brinker in the 1920s. I don't even know what the hell a ticker is and you know

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I just didn't get it and you know, I had me identify which classification of alcoholic

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I was in the doctor's opinion and I thought it was the manic depressive type whom a whole chapter could be written and I

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Just wanted a chapter written about me and they relate to realize and I hate the way that it sounds but I'm the psychopath

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I'm always going on the wagon for keeps and make many resolutions with brain and decisions. That's the I'll start tomorrow

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I'll start tomorrow start tomorrow

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And I realized I related to bill more a lot more than I allowed myself to I wasn't stealing from my wife's purse

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I was stealing from my mom's purse. I wasn't not taking that job opportunity and it didn't take the opportunity to go to that school

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It wasn't a golfer permitting me to drink and a skateboarder

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Kid, you know and I realized I had made the same exact decision that bill had made every step of the way

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and that was to drink, you know, and

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and I started to think that maybe I'm not certain whether I could have this thing, but it's certainly this is what I

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Was certain that the this guy that I've been talking to had something I didn't have and if I followed him around

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Maybe I would get a taste of it and you know

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He kept taking me through these steps and I told that guy everything about me and you know

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I remember telling him my fist

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You know, he had me write these secrets at the end that he knew I wouldn't put in the regular inventory

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That wasn't ready for that right at the end. He goes right this right everything that you didn't want to tell me down

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And he me right like one word that would remind him remind me of it

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so he would write that, you know incriminate myself, but I

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Start reading these things and and it his facial expression didn't change the entire time these things that I was terrified

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Anybody would know about it and he would every once in a while, you know, one of them he would go

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I did that, you know, and he would tell me a story and

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you know and it encouraged me to tell him the next thing and I told him all those things and I

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We were done with that and I just had this feeling like everything was gonna be okay

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And the very same thing that I searched for an alcohol

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I found an alcoholics anonymous by doing the things that you guys taught to do and you know, I

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Got kicked out of that treatment center when I was about five months over

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Because I couldn't stay away from the girls and smoking when I wasn't supposed to smoke and I I mean this fork in the road

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Either I'm gonna go to Arizona until I'm 18 or when I go into the server living house and my sponsor convinced my parents

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put me into the server living house in orange and I go into there and

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Guys that I've been meeting at those meetings started showing up and picking me up and you know

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And they they I had given them my number and I had gotten their number and I might have called a couple of them

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initially

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To get those rides, but after a period of time they knew I wanted to be sober and they started calling me

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Hey, I'm going to this meeting night be ready at 7, you know

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And they would be there at 7 and get in their car

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they would they would take me there and they would drive me all over the place all over Orange County and Los Angeles and

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taking me all these different types of things and all these different AA meetings and and you know that I

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really started to fall in love with alcoholics and

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I started getting commitments in the meetings that I was going to and

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You know that all right when I was about nine months sober. I got to the

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six months over got to the eighth of nine step and I had my list ready and

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Go visit with my sponsor

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And I had myself at the top of the list because one of the things I've been hurting one of these a goofy meeting

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I've always had these they said, you know, I hurt myself the most so we need to make amends to us

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And you know, he goes, what are you doing on the list and I go?

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He goes, all right, well, how about we put you at the bottom of the list and after you make amends to the rest of these

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People you can go ahead

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Anything we can think of it's kind of perverted

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but let's start with your mom and

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He had me write this letter to her

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House read this letter to don't say anything. Is that like to screw this thing?

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She says something that makes you mad. You just be quiet

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You know, I sit down and I read this letter to her and at the end it said if there's anything I could do to

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Make these things right? Please like

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She just said keep doing alcoholics nine months to the best year and then for a Catholic woman that thanks the

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Answer for everything as the Catholic Church that was had to have been a hard thing for her to say

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But she knew that something was happening for me here

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She didn't know why she didn't know but she knew something was happening

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She just said keep doing

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That's what I've done for the last 22 years

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And that doesn't mean I've done it perfectly I've made plenty of mistakes, you know

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Getting sober, you know, just a couple months shy of 17 and they you know went into debt

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bad relationships

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You know all the challenges that you guys talk about

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people who get sober older talk about

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Going through while they're drinking and for sure

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but

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I've done it to the best of my ability. I know when I've made those mistakes and willing to clean those things up challenging. I

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When I was about a year sober, I had this thing in the back of my head saying maybe it was a phase

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Maybe it was this maybe it was that and I think we all come in with something that says that we're just a little bit

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Different and that was an easy thing for my alcoholism to grab hold of and I'm sitting in this Wednesday night meeting one night

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And this older gentleman says it's next to me. It goes aren't you a little too young to be here? You don't know me

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bitch

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I said

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No, you know, but I went home and I grabbed the book and I was gonna find something to throw into space and and

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You know, I going through that such time young people and it says there are those of us who only drink a few years

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They were in the same position as those of us who drink for 20 years. That's not holy crap. That's me, you know

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And I knew that this, you know dawned on me that that prior year and a half or so

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I've been sitting in these meetings relating to the things that you guys talked about might have come from a different

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You know different area a different walk of life different age. What?

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but I realized that the related things that

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You know, I have been questioned whether it was since that day

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I'm not saying that I haven't thought of taking a drink. It's two different things

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But I had a question whether I'm gonna do that

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Another year goes by it was like September every year for my first five years was a

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But that next year I was a

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I'm starting to look for you know

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I I thought like I could just read stuff and talk to you and that everything would be okay

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You know, I didn't actually have to go out there and and and and try to clean up the wreckage, you know

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so, you know

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I would start looking for some secret answer that I hadn't found in the book and

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Pick up the pamphlet on sponsorship and think man. He's not doing that

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that's the problem, you know and just trying to find some answer that was gonna fix everything and I

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See this guy Keon and and he knows this type of guy where you love here

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And I'm sure you kind of follow him around at the meetings that he goes to but you don't want to actually talk to him

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Because he's gonna be asking about what you're doing and really want to talk about that

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so I

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bump into him at this retreat that September and he goes

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How are you doing? I just start telling him all all the crap that I'm dealing with. It's mostly in my head and

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And he goes, you know, once I started making financial amends my financial life got better

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And once I started making relationship and that's my relationships got better. I've always wanted everyone to love me

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I've always wanted to be rich and

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So I went out and I made 30 amends that week and couldn't find any of these people the week before that

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I didn't have the money to pay you know back the week before that but you know all of a sudden it was there and

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I got fired up about it

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I had all these grocery stores liquor stores old friends 7-elevens a couple police officers and teachers and and

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I work in the 7-elevens one day and there's four or five 7-elevens up and down

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Westminster Boulevard and I'd stolen from all of them. I'm not not that I'm anytime a big-time crook

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I'm a petty thief, but I I walk into one and I

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Walk up to the counter and

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Get my little spiel and he goes man. I've never had anybody do that before. Thank you so much

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and you know what I leave there and I feel good and

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Next couple go flying as well and I walk into the last one and I stole two packs of cigarettes from this one at that

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You know, this is not gonna be a big deal. I walk in that wait for the line to die down

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I walk up to the counter at ten dollars in my hand and I go, you know two and a half years ago

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I stole two packs of cigarettes in order for me to stay sober. I need to make every rung

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I made right he goes. Oh you want two packs of cigarettes? I go. Oh, no. No. No, I stole two packs of cigarettes

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I need to pay you back because what you stole from my store get out of here

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So you want your money, you know, I'm a little freaked out it and it kind of like frozen place

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I look over and this guy had come in. He was standing right next to me. He goes don't worry about it

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You did your part like crap. You bastards are everywhere. I

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left there and I got into my car and I started driving to

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My meeting and I don't know if it's the immense that I just made the commitments that I had to

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Try to develop a relationship with the power greater than myself that guys have been trying to sponsor

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The but I got this overwhelming feeling like everything was gonna be okay

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So overwhelming feeling like all the little problems in my life

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We're gonna work themselves out and and I've been chasing that feeling ever since and I don't get that feeling by doing something for me

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You know, I don't get that feeling by buying a house or a new car

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I mean a new car is good for like two weeks until you get the first payment, you know, and

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you know, I don't get I don't even like I

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Regretfully say this because some people don't understand but it doesn't even my children don't give me that feeling

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Yeah, they give me that feeling from time to time that you know, but it goes away immediately when they crap their pants, you know

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or

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Or you know want to murder each other, you know

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but I

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Get that feeling when I try to do something for somebody else when I'm not thinking about me for a period of time

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And you know and that's how I try to live my life today. It is sometimes very hard

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Sometimes very hard to not think about myself my future. My what's whatever is going on, but

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Over the last six months or so my constant prayer is how can I be your servant?

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That is all I want that it's all I need in in this life. That is all I need to try to do

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How do I be your servant and you know and and asking for that prayer over these last six months?

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I could tell you that a lot of opportunities have presented themselves

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you know, I

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Sponsored a number of new guys. I've had several commitments and things come up that

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And and I ever started to regret seeing the first

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I've had an absolutely incredible life and I'm gonna say

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Been married for 11 years. I have three children

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you know, I

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Started a business eight years ago

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Get to employ a number of people

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You know one of my

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guys today

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sent me a text he just bought a new truck and

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You know, and she had to work for that

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but I'm grateful of the opportunity that I got to participate in that and you know, and I I

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there was a guy when I was news name was Chuck D and I would see him every week and I would say how you

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Doing Chuck and you know better than I deserve

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You know, sometimes you've asked me. How are you? Not as good as I deserve to have I

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See him the next week. How you doing check better than I deserve kid a few weeks of this goes by and finally

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I just go what do you mean? You've been sober all this time. You've helped all these people. You've done all this work

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What do you mean? You don't deserve the life yet?

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And I said for all the bad things I've done people I've hurt mistakes. I've made I don't deserve

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Today and I truly believe that for yourself today and it took me a really long time to understand

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When my life is better than I deserve there's room

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When there's room for gratitude in this moment

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Everything is okay when I'm focused on what I deserve for the problems in my life that things going on

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The exterior that I can't control

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that gratitude goes away and

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Then my mind begins to try to figure these things out

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Instead of just living in that that gratitude and trying to be of service and when I'm living in that gratitude

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Trying to be of service. It almost doesn't even matter what's going on. It almost doesn't matter what challenges

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My life is okay