Peggy's Journey: Gratitude, Dream of Relapse, and the Power of Honesty
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Peggy's Journey: Gratitude, Dream of Relapse, and the Power of Honesty

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Peggy reflects on her decades‑long path to sobriety, her role as a therapist, and the gratitude she feels for the Quality of Life community. She shares a vivid dream about drinking at a meeting, using it to explore the challenges of honesty and Step 1 in recovery. The story highlights the ongoing work of staying truthful and finding freedom in the steps.

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- Good evening, my name is Peggy and I am an alcoholic

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and I am so honored and I feel privileged to be here

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to share my experience, strength and hope with you.

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I was so delighted to get a text from Ben

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asking me to do this because brand new sober,

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I would come to these meetings of quality of life

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because you guys got the greatest speakers

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on Saturday nights and I would sit there and go, wow,

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and here I am, what a trip, you know?

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And so thank you Ben, thank you so much

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for considering me to be your Saturday night speaker.

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And wouldn't you know, my two guests

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stem from being part of the quality of life family,

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never fully being a quality of life member

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but on the fringes always have I been

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and I've always loved each and every one of you,

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so thank you.

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And I go to a meeting in this very same room

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on Sunday mornings and I want to thank you guys

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for cleaning up so nicely for us the next day.

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So I have a sponsor, she's 21 years sober,

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I have two home groups 'cause one's never enough for me

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and one is 7 a.m. Valley Club on Saturdays

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and the other one is here tomorrow,

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my little book study, Big Bang book study.

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And I was finally separated from alcohol

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by the grace of God on August 8th, 2012 at 58 years old.

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I mean, you know, it took a lot to get to hear you guys.

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So I'd like to welcome you people

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that are sitting back there that had the courage

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to identify as somebody new to this program,

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try to keep an open mind.

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You know, this is absolutely a godsend,

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it's absolutely amazing to me to be here.

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Since I started, oh, so I lived in a sober living

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in August, September, October for a year

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and at about 30 days, 40 days sober or so,

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you know, our thing was the girls would climb in my car

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'cause I'm the only one that had a car,

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it was my home before I got there, I lived in it.

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And we would blast metal, smoke cigarettes

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and look for meetings, it was a big deal.

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And we landed at the Sunday night

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beginners meeting of Quad, you know,

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and that's how this journey began

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and how I got to know so many of you, thank you.

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And so since then, I've become a grandmother,

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I have three grandkids and they call me Spicy G,

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I don't know why.

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And I have lived in the same residence longer

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than any place I've ever lived in in my adult life.

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I have kept the same job longer than I've had any time

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in my adult life and I get to be in the helping industry.

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I get to work with people that have major, minor,

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moderate mental health difficulties.

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I am a therapist, I can say that out loud.

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It took a long time for me to even be able to say it

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'cause I couldn't believe it.

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So I got to sleep in a bed last night, you know,

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with a roof over my head, not my car,

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not a chaise lounge in someone's backyard.

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Every day when I wake up,

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I'm amazed that that got to happen again.

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So much so that I will make that bed

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and I will kneel beside it because I know that part mostly,

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it's that grace that was allowed me,

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that this can happen.

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So when I woke up this morning, I woke up from a dream

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and I thought, why this dream on the day I'm going

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to a breakfast with my sponsor and sponsee sisters,

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why this dream when I'm going

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to my 90 year old mom's house, you know,

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to help her because she's starting to establish things

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before she passes.

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Why this dream before I come to speak before you?

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I prayed on it, I thought about it

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and I'm sharing it with you tonight.

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So my dream is vivid and it's in color.

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I can tell you why as I proceed.

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So in this dream, I had a commitment.

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It was with a 12 step program.

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It's not clear exactly what, but I was in charge

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of something and there were a lot of people

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in this big conference room walking around,

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including my roommate, Todd and his partner.

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And I walked outside to the patio and sat in front

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of these two guys and with impunity,

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meaning my mind did not expect any kind of punishment.

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I proceeded to drink an icy cold one.

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It was a green bottle, a green long neck

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and it was icy cold and it tasted so good.

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It was very, very, very vivid, this dream.

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And I proceeded to have a second one.

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Got up because I knew, oh, that's a bracelet.

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Well, you know, old school watch.

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I knew that I had something to do in there.

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And wouldn't you know, the first two people I run

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into are Todd and Joey.

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And I say to them, I just had a couple of beers.

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They say to me, guess you'll have to start over again, Peggy.

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Now this is where the unraveling of my mind begins

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and where it goes away from that first step,

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the underlying principle of honesty.

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My thought is, why did I even tell them in my dream?

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I'm thinking these things, honesty.

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I shouldn't have told these guys because I could have

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continued and nobody would have ever known.

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Unraveling this first step of admitting that I'm powerless

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in my life has become unmanageable with everything

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and no reservations.

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And that layer of honesty underneath that step has fizzled

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because already I'm thinking, why did I even tell them?

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And then I'm starting to get a little bit irritable.

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I'm irritable, I'm discontent because the insanity

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has set forth in motion in my head.

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I want another one, but I have a commitment.

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In my dream, I'm thinking I still have to go up there

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and do whatever it was that this group has depended on me

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to do.

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I don't want to, I don't want that responsibility.

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I don't want to have to do this.

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It's calling me, it's calling me.

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The insanity begins.

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Where's God in this in step three?

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Where is he?

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I failed to think of him.

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So you know, if we work really hard at our steps,

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certain point, we're gonna know a new freedom

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and a new happiness.

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It tells us that in the big book.

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It's part of our promises.

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Two beers and I'm becoming self-seeking.

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That's supposed to slip away.

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It's a promise to us.

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That part of our personality, that part of who we have

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become as a result of doing these steps has seeped back

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into me 'cause I don't care about you guys anymore

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and this thing that I committed to do

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and this fundraising that we were doing

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for a program related situation.

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This dream probably lasted five minutes or something

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but it stayed with me all day.

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And here it is tonight.

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It's significant.

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I've had drinking using dreams in the past

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in these past 11 and a half, 11 almost a half years.

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But every single time I would wake up prior to smoking,

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lighting, drinking, whatever my thing was,

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I would always wake up.

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But this time the dream allowed me to go through

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and taste it, savor it, and then live through

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the consequences of what went on in my head afterwards.

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Alcohol is a cunning and baffling thing.

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And it's just like, how do we do this?

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We work so hard.

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And Joey's telling me,

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oh, you're gonna have to start over again, Peggy.

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What does that mean?

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I don't wanna hear anything about starting over

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'cause I'm not done yet now.

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I'm not done yet.

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And for a person like me,

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might as well start digging the grave.

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Might as well.

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Might as well start digging the grave, you know?

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'Cause places, the places I've been,

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the people I surrounded myself with,

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the level that it took me at 58 when I got here,

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I don't wanna see that again.

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This is just a dream, but it was in Technicolor.

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And it was something that is significant

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because it made me realize just how important

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the spiritual principles of this program are

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and how easily they can unravel with just two beers.

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Before sobriety, I lived in Riverside

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and I had a family there.

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I was married to a lawyer.

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He's now a Superior Court judge.

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And we have three beautiful daughters together.

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They're living a beautiful life.

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I could not wait for adult time

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where it gave me the green card

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to go and drink with impunity, I thought, you know?

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I was such an embarrassment.

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But when that split up because he told me,

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"I never trusted you, Peggy.

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"You're just like my dad,"

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who had died a couple of years later

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of direct consequences from drinking.

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I can say, "Oh, it's him that spurred me

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"into this endless cycle."

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I can easily tell you guys it's 'cause of him.

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No, it's not.

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It's my life.

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I'm an alcoholic.

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I cannot control and enjoy my drinking.

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I can't, you know?

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And so what happens is that, I mean,

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it leads me to things that I say I would never do,

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stuff I was never gonna do

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and consequences that are damaging

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to the people I love the most,

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the parents of my grandkids, my mom,

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my 90-year-old mom out there in Northridge,

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my siblings, my husbands, and myself.

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I cannot drink with impunity.

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People who are not alcoholics get to, you know?

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They might have a hangover or something like that,

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but with us, our thinking unravels

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and we become so dependent on that drink

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that we do become selfish and self-seeking.

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We do become that person where the rest of these things

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that I'm telling you I love, spicy G, don't matter so much.

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I can say I love you to my kids,

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but it's empty because I can't show it, you know?

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You guys are gonna need water.

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Where's my props?

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(laughing)

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This, this, you know, this, this, this.

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It's okay, I'm joking, I'm joking, dude.

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This, this, this, you know?

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That was really my love, but you couldn't tell me that.

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You can tell an alcoholic.

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You guys can always tell an alcoholic, as Eddie says,

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but you can't tell 'em much, you know?

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You can always tell an alcoholic,

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but you can't tell 'em much.

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Oh, ha, Joyce!

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(laughing)

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You can always tell an alcoholic, you know?

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But you can't tell 'em much, you know?

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That's part of how all of our thinking is, all of us.

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Our lives, we become that tornado in people's lives.

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Thrashing ends, just leaving a wreckage like no other,

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because we cannot drink with impunity.

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When we drink, stuff happens.

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In the Texas that I can't use swear words.

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(laughing)

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Stuff happens, and it ain't pretty, people.

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So, so how is it that things change?

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I have a sponsor.

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She's 21 years sober, and women that are sisters,

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sponsey sisters, you know?

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And we had a lovely little breakfast today.

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And what did we do?

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She gave us an assignment.

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It was a writing assignment.

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We're supposed to celebrate the holidays,

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but we had a writing assignment.

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It's cool, it was to think about the upcoming year

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as a sober alcoholic, to write an intention

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on what you would like to improve on,

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or what you would like to see happen

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in some area of your life,

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and then write about how you're gonna go about doing that,

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and share it with each other, you know?

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And I still had that dream in my head, you know?

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And I get over there, and I tell my sponsey sister,

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they go, "Oh, that's a nightmare."

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Is it, though?

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Is it a nightmare, or is it something

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that I get to share with you guys,

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how quickly we can succumb to the effects of alcohol?

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I'm looking around the living room

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at her house, at these beautiful women surrounding me.

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One of them's birthdays today,

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she turned 49, natal birthday, years old.

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And she just got accepted into nursing school.

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She's so excited, you know?

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One of them, one, is also starting nursing school

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at the beginning of the year.

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Another one is happily married, loves her husband,

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and just became a grandma seven months ago.

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You know, I mean, I'm looking around the room,

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and I'm looking at how their lives have changed,

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because they're sober,

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but not just 'cause they stopped drinking.

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There's work involved, unfortunately.

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How much work did it take for us to stay

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in that state of mind?

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How much lying did we tell ourselves

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and to the people around us?

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How much time did it take to do everything we did?

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I used to sit in frickin' avocado trees for days.

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That's my story.

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And, you know, they had some nice branches

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where you can kinda chill and watch the people below me.

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I used to watch the neighbors across the street,

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'cause I'd be up this day and the next day,

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and sometimes the next.

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And I'd see them right after the sun would get up,

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walk out and pick up the newspaper

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with a cup of coffee in their hand,

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and walk back into their house.

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And then I would see them a little bit later

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get in their car and drive off.

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Hours pass, and I'd see them come home,

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and I'm like, "How do they do that?

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"How does a person do that?"

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My life became unmanageable, totally.

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Not like that, how do we do it?

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How do we become responsible human beings?

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Somebody that has something to give back

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to help a struggling newcomer,

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because that's our purpose, to stay sober

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and help other alcoholics achieve sobriety.

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In this dream of mine,

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some of the other underlying principles of our steps,

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I can look at brotherly love out the door,

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'cause I didn't care about you guys anymore.

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I care about me.

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I wanted to fulfill this thirst I had.

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There's no place for brotherly love.

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True brotherly love, like in this group here.

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When we're drinking, can't, can't.

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And when I said, "Where's God in this?"

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In this dream of mine, God didn't even come up.

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Void from the equation, void.

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I know He's there, I know it.

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I just know it, because here we are.

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This is miraculous, this ability for all of us

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to come in and stay sober and sit in a meeting

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on a Saturday night without drinking.

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Miraculous is miracles given to us by the grace of God.

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His grace, we don't deserve it.

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He bestows that on us, and a relationship begins between us

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and that God of our understanding.

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The deepening of that relationship has changed my life.

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I am so effin' amazed at just how different things can be.

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One's perspective, how the world is viewed from me,

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my perspective has completely changed.

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My purpose in life has completely changed.

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And intention, so if you did the math,

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I'm like 69 and almost 69 and a half years old now.

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And so I still love metal, that part hasn't changed.

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That part hasn't changed.

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But how I see the world and how I respond to it

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has changed, you know?

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It's just like, it just befuddles me.

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It makes me kind of like I still don't get it.

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I sometimes have to pinch myself, is this real?

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But I actually have a master's degree

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in counseling psychology, you know?

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And my oldest daughter told me 11 years ago,

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she's going, "Mom, you effed that up.

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"You blacklisted yourself in that area.

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"You'll never be able to do it.

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"If you need a job to support your sober living,

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"go get a job at Denny's or something.

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"That's what you deserve."

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It's very painful what happens to our children.

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You know, my kids have shared with me

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just how damaging my behavior and how it affected them.

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I can't do anything to change that,

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but to change from within myself, you know?

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So I work in a community mental health agency

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and I thought, you know, God's always behind all this.

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Like, why not?

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Why not see if the licensing board will consider me

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to become a licensed therapist?

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They said, "Okay."

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They allowed me to become registered and that's what I do.

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I get to take a lot of the principles

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that I've learned here to my clients.

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It's amazing.

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I don't ever say, we got traditions here, you know?

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That I got this from AA, you know?

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Oh, cheers.

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You know, but I can steer them to a meeting.

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I can tell them that this is something that is life-saving

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for so many people.

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One of these days, you know?

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I mean like, you know, so I'm at this crossroads in my life.

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I get to be in a position to make decisions.

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I didn't have that 11 and a half years ago.

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My decision is which trash can am I gonna open up

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to see what recyclables you guys have for me, you know?

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That kind of lifestyle, like that, you know?

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Like my kids used to send their friends to find me.

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Like in the big book, they talk about a searching party

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looking for this guy that's in a barn.

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They sent searching parties out looking for me

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to see if I was still alive.

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They didn't even know if their old mom had kicked it or not.

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How damaging to a child.

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Not today, not today, guys.

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On Black Friday, it was my youngest daughter's birthday.

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I'm texting her, what do you want?

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You have to get a present from mom, you know?

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A mom present, but what do you want?

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It's Black Friday, I'm willing to go out there

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and get you something.

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Finally, she texts me back and she says,

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I wanna spend time with you.

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That's all I want from you, mom.

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Will you come to Disneyland?

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So on December 12th, I'm going to Disneyland.

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It'll be her daughter, my granddaughter's first trip there.

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Yes, I might come, like thank you.

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You know, and that dream was so vivid and so real.

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The way it messes up our head

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and unravels all the work that we do

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to become a responsible, upstanding person of the world.

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Somebody that can take a look at my wrongdoings

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and make amends to the people that I harm.

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Two beers, I see cold beers.

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And the effect was like the nightmare

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that we all experience before we get here.

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I'm responsible as a member of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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When somebody asks me to participate, I'm going to do that.

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It's part of what we do here

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to share our experience, strength at home.

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Maybe, maybe, maybe somebody hears something.

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Maybe we make a difference in somebody's life.

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One person's life.

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When we do this, when we extend our hand, I'm responsible.

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I used to hate that word, responsibility.

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Ooh, did that grind on me.

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Accountability, hated those words.

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It got in the way.

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What that meant was in the way of my lifestyle,

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selfish and self-seeking.

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But if we keep working on this, that slips away, people.

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I love the new freedom and new happiness bestowed upon me

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from Alcoholics Anonymous, you know?

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I'm like still mystified at how a person like me

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could be here alive, sober, you know,

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with a new perception, a new way of looking at life.

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When they tell us in the reading today,

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this is a program of traction, not promotion.

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I hope I can, for one, be that person

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just by my example, my behavior, my continued sobriety,

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the people, you know?

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I hope that the way I do things outside of here,

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like the 12 step, we carry these principles

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in all of our affairs, that I'm able to do that.

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They say we're not saints, and I definitely am not, you know?

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No, I'm not.

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You know, I tend to use very colorful language sometimes

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when it may not be appropriate, you know?

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I sometimes feel anxiety, and I sometimes get pissed off.

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I walked out on a meeting at work the other day.

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Well, I respected me and walked out.

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So I have to keep learning and keep my head

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in a place where I am still open to learning.

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I never, never, never wanna close my mind

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to what this program has to offer.

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My name's Peggy, I'm an alcoholic,

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and I'm grateful to be here tonight.

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Thank you.