Janice’s Journey: From Early Addiction to AA Fellowship
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Janice’s Journey: From Early Addiction to AA Fellowship

Episode description

Janice reflects on a childhood marked by family conflict, early exposure to alcohol and Dexedrine, and a deep need to please others. She shares how these patterns fueled her drinking and how the support of AA has become her source of hope and belonging.

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Hi everybody, my name is Janice Offowitz.

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I'm an alcoholic.

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Hello.

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And I think I can wait right there.

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Hi everybody on Zoom.

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Nice to see you all.

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I am super honored to be here

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and I want to thank Ben for the honor and privilege.

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And we've become buddies, texting buddies.

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And I love that about Alcoholics Anonymous.

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And I want to thank Skylar for reading chapter five.

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And I want to read Tarik for reading the 12 traditions.

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And I want to thank my hostess with the mostest,

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Karen, for welcoming me and showing me around,

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especially the bathroom when I got here, no luck.

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And your love and your kindness.

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And Bruce for being my escort in the good way today, right?

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And I especially want to thank Sean.

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That was an awesome, awesome share.

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Thank you so much.

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I got a meeting because now you got to hear me,

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but I got my meeting.

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Thank you so much.

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I absolutely love Alcoholics Anonymous

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and I love alcoholics.

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And Nate, great job leading the meeting.

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And it was so great to meet

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each and every one of you tonight.

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And I feel like I'm meeting all of you too.

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You know, you're my brothers and my sisters.

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You're my people, you're my tribe.

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You are my peeps.

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And you know, bottom line,

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let me tell you my variety date.

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It's May 11th, 1997.

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My home group is the Pacific roof down the street

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and my sponsor's Pat Yoke.

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And those are really important things to me to this day.

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I love Alcoholics Anonymous.

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You know, I didn't get sober my first, second, third,

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fourth, fifth, I can't even.

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Anybody relate?

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I'm a retread.

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But one thing about me,

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one thing about Alcoholics Anonymous is I do know,

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I related to everything Sean was saying.

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One thing I do know is that I know a lot of people

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that got sober their first name.

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And I know that that's possible.

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That's not my story.

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And I'm gonna keep my story because here's how it goes.

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I was born in Torrance, California.

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I'm the middle misfit of three kids.

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And you know what?

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I was born, I believe, alcoholic.

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You know, I was lying at the age of two and three.

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You know, did you eat the cookies in the cookie jar?

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There's crumbs all over my face.

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And I'm like, no.

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Did you take all the icing off the cake and put it back?

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No, my sister did it.

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You know, I was just a liar, right?

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I was a liar.

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There was something about my family,

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mom, dad, brother, sister, love my family so much.

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We had a dysfunctional family.

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Mom and dad fought all the time.

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That doesn't make me alcoholic.

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But they fought, they weren't a good mix.

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But you know, they did everything for us.

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And it wasn't enough.

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You know, I'm the girl that needs more.

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I need more of everything.

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I was a chunky kid.

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I remember at the age of five,

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it was all about me and kindergarten.

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My mom cut my hair and everybody called me James.

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And I had a profound effect of that.

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You know, and I, you know, it was like,

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I remember very early too in my very young years.

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My mom and dad would fight, but my mom would say,

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you know, go out in the world

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and make sure everybody thinks everything is fine.

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You know, it's fine.

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We don't fight.

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We don't like pull knives out of the house.

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We don't have pots and pans flying through the house.

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So I became fine.

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Everything is good, fine.

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People pleasing, Sean, me too.

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People pleasing, whatever you wanted to see is what you got.

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You know, and my first chemical

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from the neck up besides sugar was Dexadrine.

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Okay, I'm a very high energy girl.

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I do not need to be on speed at the age of nine.

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At the age of nine, I was chunky.

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My mom did not want that for us girls

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because my mother was a very heavy girl

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and she did everything in her power to help us.

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So I was taking Dexadrine at the age of nine.

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I was helping mom clean the house.

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Mom and dad drank.

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Mom and dad did drink.

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They seemed to get along better when they drank.

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I loved everything about the drink with them.

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I loved everything.

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I loved the clicky click of the ice.

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I loved everything that they did.

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It was very attractive and sexy to me.

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My dad smoked.

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I loved that.

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My brother and sister didn't like that

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but I remember I was very young

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and mom and dad were Italian

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and we could have a little wine at dinner

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and we could have a little beer.

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I remember I had some beer, my dad's Coors beer

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when I was like 10, 11.

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I remember I would put salt in my dad's phone.

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That was so cool.

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And cold duck and Spamanti and Bartles and James

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but the thing I really liked was Booms Farm tickle pink.

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Anybody get tickled pink like I did?

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I loved it.

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And so I remember, here's life is what's going on.

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I'm the girl, I'm very sociable.

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I get along with people that I'm uncomfortable in my skin.

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Super uncomfortable in my skin.

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I care more about what you think of me than I do.

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So I'm going to be whatever you want me to be.

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And I remember that.

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But when I drink, honey, I am a bag of chips

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and you are lucky to be with me.

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And that started happening for me very early.

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When I started getting that buzz on,

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I'm like, oh, you are on the natch.

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I care about what you think of me.

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Oh my God, what do you think of me, Nancy?

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Am I okay with everything in my teeth?

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Is my butt too big?

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Do you think that's my,

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that's already the committee going really young, right?

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Like you're talking to me but I'm already thinking

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about what I'm gonna say back to you

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because I care about what you think

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and I need to make you think that I'm really smart.

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And that was going very early for me.

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Anybody relate?

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The committee was started, right?

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And I'm like, oh my gosh, but when I drink, I really care.

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I really don't care.

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And that happened for me.

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It changed my perception of me and of you.

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And I wasn't drinking every day

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at the age of 12 and 13 and 14.

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But I do remember I started getting my buzz on

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in high school and I remember my first brown out.

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My parents live in Torrance.

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I actually live in that home now.

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I'll get to that.

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And I remember my first kind of brown blackout.

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Everybody was laughing with me at the time

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and pretty soon I become the laugh of the party

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because I am nothing short of a liar, cheat, thief

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and a ho ho ho as an alcoholic drinking woman.

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That is what I am.

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That is what I do.

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I go to jail.

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I got DUIs.

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I go to jail.

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In the car, smashing the car, on my bike,

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walking drunk in public, on the bus.

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I go to jail.

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But that didn't start until I was 21.

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So before I was 21, my parents had a,

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this is when I started really like

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kind of already disappointed family.

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You know, they had a graduation party for me.

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And I don't know about you guys,

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but I don't like to eat when I drink

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because I like the effect produced by alcohol.

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So I sort of blacked out at my high school graduation.

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I don't remember.

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And my parents had a little party for me

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and I forgot to go.

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You know, so I'm 17 years old

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and already starting to disappoint the family.

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But I always thought alcohol was the thing

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that it was very glamorous and exciting.

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And I wanted to grow up really fast.

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That's just who I was.

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I started getting into bars when I was 19.

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The rain tree and beach bum birds and the red onion

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and poncho and wands and Don Jose, you know,

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all these places that I was going.

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And I started doing things that allowed me to drink more.

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Right?

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I remember I had a drug driving while I was 21, 24, 31.

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And what that was for me,

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oh, and by the way, I'm seeing therapists

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'cause I have a lot of problems.

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I'm depressed.

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I have eating disorders, but I drink and I drink.

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And the only thing that makes me feel okay is that drink.

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But I'm also, and here's what the other thing about

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alcoholics and my brothers and my sisters,

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we're hard workers.

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We've always been a hard worker.

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I'm gonna get it done and I'm gonna be a best.

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I always wanted to be the best.

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Gonna be a perfectionist, perfectionist, perfectionist.

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You know, but things started happening.

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21, I got that DUI, you know,

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and here's how I drink a DUI.

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Here's how I, I just wanna paint the picture for you.

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10 Long Island iced teas, lots of kamikaze.

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And we were doing shots of orgasms back in those days.

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And I don't know, I lost track of them.

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How much I drank it in the car.

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And you know, I get pulled over

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because I'm bombed out of my mind

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about a block away from my house.

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But there's an office, a female officer and a male officer.

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And this is how totally inappropriate I am.

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So there's a male officer and I offer him

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a personal breathalyzer in the back of the car.

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We'll call it a day, right?

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But then I tell the female officer

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that I know that she's a lesbian

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and she's going to rape me.

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You know, they don't like that very much.

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So they handcuffed me, hogtied me, took me to jail.

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First nudge from the judge.

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Thank you, God.

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Everything that has happened to me

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has been my God shots to get here to you, right?

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21, get the DUI.

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I'm working, you know, I fulfill all those obligations.

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But boy, I'll tell you,

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I'll never forget my first Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

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Y'all were talking about drinking, right?

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Talking about alcohol and my mouth was salivating.

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I belong to the first meeting I got here.

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I didn't get sober till I was 35.

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So 21, life's going on.

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I do things like break dance and weddings

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in a short dress with no panties, skirts way up high.

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I think you do that too because I'm a blackout drinker.

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I am unacceptable to society when I drink.

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There is nothing ladylike about me.

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I will go home with your husband, your boyfriend,

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or we'll worry about it later.

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I immediately get ugly when I drink.

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And I do things that women don't do, right?

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Ladies, you know, all bets are off, on the natch.

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I already told you what I feel like.

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I care about what you think of me.

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Oh my God, do you like me?

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Oh my God, what are you thinking about me?

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Am I okay?

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Did I sound smart?

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Oh my gosh, I drink, I'm like, that's Janice.

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You know, and I'm a slur and I'm a barfer

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and I pee the bed everywhere I go.

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You know, there's nothing ladylike about me

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as an alcoholic drinking woman.

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Get that second DUI, you know?

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And then I, here's the thing that I absolutely love

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about my story was being written

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and I wouldn't have had it this way,

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but I wouldn't change it for the world, you know?

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I start, you know, seeing a therapist and I'm a liar.

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You know, how much are you drinking?

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I'm like drinking bottles of vodka,

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but you know, there's this thing about me saying

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I have like three beers, but I don't know, I'm a liar.

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My lies have lies.

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I can't keep track, right?

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My lies have so many lies, I write stuff down.

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I can't remember what I said.

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I call everybody and they remember, they remember.

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I've got some great people in my life,

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my family, they remembered everything.

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And so, you know, I went into my first rehab

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and I'm so grateful for rehabs,

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for I'm grateful for sobriety homes,

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I'm grateful for detoxes.

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I'm grateful for all of it, you know?

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But the two DUIs, you know, I had a lawyer,

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you know, I have a therapist, they're all like,

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you actually need to be removed for a little bit.

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So I went into my first rehab.

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And here's one thing that I am forever grateful

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for experiencing.

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I stayed sober for three and a half years,

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but I had dry variety almost that whole time.

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Dry variety for me is I'm sober

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and I'm living a double life.

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At first year of those three and a half years,

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I'm working a program, but then I start doing it

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Janice's way 'cause don't you know,

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I actually am really smart.

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Oh, take my will back.

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I'm my own higher power.

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Meetings are things that maybe I'll go visit once in a while

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quoting the big book of alcoholics.

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So notice I'm not living that program

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and not cleaning the wreckage up in my past.

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And by the way, creating more wreckage, sober.

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I never wanna forget how homicidal and how suicidal I feel.

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And I'm so grateful.

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I picked up a drink three and a half years and it was on

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and it was already bad.

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And it took not even a week before it got really bad again.

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Just bad.

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I was drinking two bottles, two gallons of vodka,

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probably the first I thought I would sippy sip,

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control and enjoy my drinking.

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Y'all told me that that wouldn't happen and you were right.

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I had never done a four step.

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I had a sponsor in name only

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and I hadn't worked one through 12.

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And that started a series from 91 to 1997

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in and out of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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In and out, the yes were happening.

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The yes are Janice is the kind of girl that gets pregnant

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and doesn't know who it was with or how it happened.

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I never wanna forget that that's who I am when I drink.

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I never wanna forget the hearts I break

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as an alcoholic woman and the trust.

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I heard Sean talk about it.

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Nobody trusted me.

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I really just was that tornado running through people's lives

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using and abusing, taking money, stealing from my family,

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stealing from everybody.

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I know I never wanna forget

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that that's how I live when I drink.

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I'm forever grateful that I don't live like that today,

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that I never wanna forget

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because I'm one drink away from it and I know it.

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And so what happened for me,

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I told you I've always been a hard worker.

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So I remember I was working at Rockwell International.

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I remember I was not drinking that three and a half years

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and then I stayed there four years drinking.

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Oh my gosh, you guys.

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The Ombudsman is like the biggest government in aerospace

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if anybody knows that.

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And they were writing big reports on me

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'cause I was coming to work in the same clothes

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as I had on the day before

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because I was out drinking all night.

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I was stealing out of people's death.

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I was stealing out of refrigerators.

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And I'll just never forget

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that incomprehensible liberalization.

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From '95 to '97, and I'm gonna get sober,

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'95 to '97, I drank around the clock pop-up vodka

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and I moved about a hundred times

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because I take Janus everywhere I go

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and I gotta go when you get to know me, I gotta go.

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I gotta go, like I gotta go.

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I moved to Long Beach, Steele Beach, Hawthorne,

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Redondo Beach, Torrance.

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And everywhere I live, I needed to get out.

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And of course I go to jail everywhere I live too.

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So in '95, here's what happened.

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I lost that job after eight years in aerospace

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due to my drinking.

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My father was diagnosed with a horrific cancer

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and I moved so many times

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and I ended up really homeless

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except my mom and dad were helping me pay my rent.

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I was really technically homeless.

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And then she stopped paying rent

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and dad stopped paying rent and I was like five months behind.

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I never wanna forget how fear feels.

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Just fear, always looking around my shoulder,

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always looking, the phone rings, you know who it is.

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It's a bill collector.

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I don't have anything.

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And I would sell my soul to the devil to get money.

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Mm-hmm, or to get anything I needed.

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So and in between that time also,

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Rockwell helped me try to get sober

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and I had a year here in between there

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and I have another six months here in between there,

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another three months here.

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And the thing is, is I have a lot of experience

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in doing it Janice's way.

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1997, May 11th, 1997,

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I got into the House of Hope in San Pedro for women.

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My God knew exactly what I needed

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and it was a very structured place

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and it was not easy and I'm so grateful.

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I'm so grateful.

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Other sobriety have been sort of given to me

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and things have been given to me

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and they never stuck because it was too easy.

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This is not, this has been,

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my sobriety has been working one day

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at a time for it and I'm so grateful

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and not having handouts and having anybody say here,

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here's your car, here's money to get out of debt.

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I was in so much debt when I came to you guys.

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So I got into the House of Hope

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and the requirement there is it's 25 women

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living in this house and let me tell you,

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we came from all walks of life and by the way,

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I had absolutely no female friends in my life, not one.

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I was afraid that if you knew about me,

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you would tell me to go away because you did,

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because I had done something to hurt

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and we had to learn how to walk through life

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one day at a time and my sponsor would pick me up

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and take me to meetings and she started taking me

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to this place called the Pacific Group

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and the girls in that house said,

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that would be a really good place for you

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and I'm like, what do they mean?

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What do they mean by that?

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I'm here to tell you, none of those women are sober today.

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So grateful, not very many of them

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and I know that that would have been my path too

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because my first year of sobriety is what happened

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is my sponsor started taking me to the Pacific Group

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and I saw something there that I had never seen before

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as the women stick with the women

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and the men stick with the men and that's,

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I've always been a 13-stepper and all other AA, you know?

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And that's exactly what this alcoholic needed.

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I needed that, right?

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I needed that and it scared me too.

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Like I'm like, oh, they're a little too serious here

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but it's exactly what I needed

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and I had never really done what I actually needed,

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if that makes sense.

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I always kind of did it my way,

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well they're a little too serious.

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So what happened for me, my first year of sobriety,

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I was in the house of hope for six months,

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within the in living lockdown,

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then I went into sober living,

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then I started dating a little beacon boy

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who lived around the corner

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and my sponsor said,

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you would not get in a relationship for a year, right?

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And I said, no, I won't and I did.

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I'm so grateful that I have that experience too

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because it almost took me out,

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I made it my higher power

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and I did started doing what I always do

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and what happened for me is I learned the hard way,

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it's done in my growth

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but here's some of the good things that happened.

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I stayed sober, I went to meetings

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and then I made him my higher power

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and you know, I finally got it

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'cause I had learned it in the Pacific group.

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There was an attraction there that I couldn't even like,

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it was so overwhelming

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that I knew I actually needed to go there

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and what happened for me though,

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is that my father, I told you he was diagnosed with cancer

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and he was really, really, really, really sick

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and when he was really, really sick and I wasn't sober,

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I couldn't be around him

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but as long as I was sober, I could be

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and my father saw me sober for 10 months

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before he passed away

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and I can't even begin to tell you

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how grateful I am for that,

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I can't even begin to tell you

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and I got to be there and I got to be with him

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and I got to be with my mom and him

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and I promised him, I said,

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"Dad, you know, I've been trying to do this thing

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for a really long time,

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I've been doing it for everybody else,

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this time I gotta do it for me."

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But you're my backup point,

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doesn't matter why I came to AA,

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doesn't matter why I kept going to AA,

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doesn't matter why I turned myself into the Pacific group

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but I did and what happened for me

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'cause that first sponsor fired me

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'cause I was lying to her, you know,

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lying, lying and I learned really quickly

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because I really needed that.

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I learned really quickly, I got into the Pacific group,

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I turned myself in and I started doing

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what everyone else was doing, you know?

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Go to the meetings.

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Well, first of all, get a sponsor

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and my sponsor said,

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"You're gonna call me every day at the same time."

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I didn't realize how unmanageable my life had become.

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I never really knew that.

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The first step is I'm an alcoholic

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and my life is unmanageable.

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I learned really quickly by getting into structure.

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Structure has saved my life.

17:43

Structure saved my life.

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The Pacific group saved my life.

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The structure of the Pacific group.

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Sponsor and call six women a day, besides my sponsor.

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Go to meetings, get there early, stay late,

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do everything this group is doing

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and the Pacific group, as you guys probably know

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because you guys are also active group here

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and you're structured.

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We are very structured and that saved my life.

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I knew exactly where I needed to be.

18:06

I needed to get a job to be self-supporting

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through my own contributions

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but that job is gonna be what I did in between meetings,

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you know, and I made Alcoholics Anonymous everything

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and all of a sudden I'm immersed

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in something way bigger than I am,

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which is a home group and the same people.

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Consistency, seeing the same people.

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Having a class, 1997, my classmates, you know.

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We had 55 to begin with.

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We have about 23 now, you know,

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and these traditions of the Pacific group saved me

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and I remember my sponsor would say,

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"You know, this is what you're gonna do.

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You're gonna call six women.

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You're not gonna make it about you."

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You've already dumped on me.

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I've already given you the solution for the day.

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You're gonna get on your knees

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and you're gonna start doing things

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that you don't believe in, like start talking to your God.

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We started reading the big book

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and then we started working the steps

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the way she directed me, not the way I did.

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Oh, steps one through 12,

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not skipping four and five 'cause they're too invasive,

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you know, and through sponsor direction

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and through guidance and taking direction, my life changed.

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Even without even working the steps, it started to change

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and then working the steps and then taking these action.

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I was told and it was drilled in my brain.

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I remember when I heard Clancy speak,

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I'm like, "I never heard I had a living problem.

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I didn't know that.

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Oh my gosh, I have a living problem."

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And so I had to learn how to live life on life's terms,

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not on Janice's terms.

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I never knew that.

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I thought I had it all going.

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Oh my God, no.

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The dumber I became, the better off I was, you know?

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I've always been in my own way, always.

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The ego, the more I said I didn't know,

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the more, the better it was for me.

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The more I said, "Oh my gosh,

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I can say no thank you to a hundred requests

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because I'm a people pleaser.

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I want to do a hundred things at the same time."

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I don't know about you guys,

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but I'd say yes to everything

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and show up nowhere when I was drinking.

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I'm the biggest flake.

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So it was like, do what you say you're going to do.

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Be where you say you're going to be.

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Start doing this in Alcoholics Anonymous,

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take commitments at every meeting.

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And if you're not going to show up because you're sick,

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you're going to get that covered.

20:02

And I started feeling this self-esteem

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through accountability.

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But really the most important thing

20:07

was for me to be there for you.

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Not wait till I have it and work all those steps.

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And then I can be of service, be of service today.

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And I started taking those contrary actions

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and going to all these events with people

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I didn't even know.

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Because what I love about my home group

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is everybody's included.

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Which made me just be part of something.

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Just, I'm one of many.

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I'm not, it's not all about me.

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Thank you, God.

20:31

It right-sized me.

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Does that make sense?

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It right-sized me.

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So many things I have thought.

20:36

Six minutes, seven, eight.

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Oh, you have a timer.

20:38

OK.

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Thank you, Abraham.

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Thank you, Ben.

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The little, here's the thing that started really,

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like I remember when I first got my sponsor,

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I was in such financial fear because I told you guys.

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I had a lot of debt.

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And everybody, the creditors were always calling.

20:53

So I was always afraid to answer the phone.

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But you know what I did?

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Well, she told me, before we even get into steps,

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we're going to look at your financial problems.

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And we're going to start.

21:01

So I got in touch with the IRS.

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I owed them money.

21:03

And then we got in touch with all the collectors.

21:05

All of a sudden that fear went away.

21:07

And I was making payments because my sponsor so very

21:09

kindly said, it's not your money.

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It took me 7 and 1/2 years to pay back the IRS.

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One little checky-poo at a time.

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I will never forget that last check for a read-up.

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But the other thing was big.

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Do what you say you're going to do.

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How many times have you stolen the trust

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and you've broken the hearts of your family?

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When you say you're going to do something, you do it.

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You suit up.

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You show up.

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You're there.

21:32

You're there on time.

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You get there.

21:34

Mom, dad, I lost my dad, and mom.

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Mom and I had the most loving, tumultuous relationship

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because I broke her heart.

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She was the one who always came and picked me up in jail.

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My mom would do anything for us kids.

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Even if she couldn't stand me, she still

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would help me until she no longer did, right?

21:54

So my living amends, first of all, my direct amends

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through sponsors, guidance, and direction, and then

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maximum living amends and maximum living amends.

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In five minutes, I'm going to tell you

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I found the love of my life in Alcoholics Anonymous.

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I'm married.

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Didn't do any breakdancing at my wedding.

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We alone.

22:12

We went to Las Vegas.

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First marriage ever in my entire life

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because thanks to Alcoholics Anonymous,

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I have learned how to act better than I feel until I

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feel better about the way I act and to become

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a sober, dignified woman.

22:24

I can still get down with the best of you, don't worry.

22:27

But I know what's appropriate and what's not, you know?

22:29

And what I started doing was taking that to my family.

22:31

I wanted them to say, good job, good job.

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You're so great.

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You're sober.

22:36

Well, I had broken their hearts so many times

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they didn't do that.

22:39

So you guys are my family.

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This is where I got the love, my brothers and my sisters.

22:43

And I started in the AA playground.

22:45

If I'm making mistakes, I'm doing it

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with my brothers and my sisters and my sponsors

22:49

helping me, guide me to make that right

22:51

and then take the best of the best to the family

22:53

because I had done enough harm and enough hurting

22:56

that that's been in the forefront of my sobriety

22:59

is, oh my gosh, maximum living amends.

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Don't do what you used to do.

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So, you know, I'll tell you about my family.

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I have a sister.

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She could not have children, so she adopted from Russia.

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And her son has fetal alcohol syndrome.

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So if I had any children, I would have probably

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had that kind of a child.

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And he's severely troubled.

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And I have been able with my husband

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to help my sister because of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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And my brother-in-law and my sister--

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thank you, I see the green light--

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they rely on Alcoholics Anonymous

23:31

because he is one of us times 20.

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Fetal alcohol syndrome is a very, very sad and very, very,

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very, very serious situation.

23:39

His biological mother was like me.

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That's a God shot.

23:41

And he's got a lot of love in our family.

23:43

And my sister and brother-in-law leaned on me a lot

23:47

because of you, leaned on me because of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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I have a brother.

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You know, we don't always get everything back the way

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we think we need it or want it.

23:54

But I have a lot of brothers in Alcoholics Anonymous.

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And I love my brother.

23:58

You know, he has his own stuff.

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I think he still really holds a resentment.

24:03

But, you know, he has his God.

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And I have mine.

24:06

And I pray for him.

24:07

And we get along just fine.

24:08

But he's got his stuff.

24:10

And I pray for him on a regular basis, trust me.

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My mom-- I'm going to take my remaining time

24:15

and tell you about my mom.

24:16

So my husband and I have this amazing husband.

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He sponsors men.

24:19

I sponsor women.

24:20

My husband and I have been taking care of my mother.

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I've been taking care of my mother.

24:24

My mother just passed in December.

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I miss her so much.

24:28

But because of you, and because of Alcoholics Anonymous,

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and because of a God of my own understanding who I love,

24:35

and because of strong sponsorship and steps,

24:38

I got to make maximum living amends to her one day

24:43

at a time for my entire sobriety.

24:45

And then I got to make maximum, maximum living amends

24:48

by caretaking for her for the last five years.

24:52

So she just passed in December.

24:53

And I have to tell you, nothing has given me

24:56

a greater sense of love and a purpose

24:58

in being able to take care of the woman that took care of me.

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Being sober is number one God, and you guys

25:03

giving me that gift.

25:05

Because my mom did not--

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I'm her least favorite child.

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Trust me.

25:10

She trusted me the most.

25:11

And that is all because of you and the actions

25:14

that I continue to take on a regular basis.

25:17

And that a loving God that I am leaning very heavily on right

25:20

now, my husband and I got to take--

25:24

we moved from West LA to take care of my mom five years ago.

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So I'm in her home now, the home I grew up in.

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And I get to be of maximum service in the community

25:32

that I tore up.

25:33

It all comes full circle.

25:35

One day at a time, as long as I--

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my sobriety and my love, and one day at a time, I'm into action.

25:43

I take a lot of action.

25:44

I take a lot of action.

25:45

Sometimes it's not easy.

25:47

But as long as I stay out of the way, it's pretty simple.

25:49

And sponsoring women.

25:51

And I have a slew of friends because I

25:54

have been suiting up and showing up incidentally

25:57

one day at a time.

25:58

And I continue to do that because it's the gift.

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And I would have missed it all.

26:02

I would have missed it all.

26:03

And so I'm eternally grateful to all of you

26:06

for having me here tonight.

26:07

It's an adjustment of life.

26:09

I can't tell you how having a primary purpose

26:12

to be taking care of someone 24 hours a day--

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I'm a little lost right now.

26:17

But I have God.

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And I have all of you.

26:19

And I have love in my life that is well beyond what

26:22

I don't even want to say.

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I believe that we all deserve it.

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It's well beyond my wildest dreams.

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One day at a time.

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Thank you so much for having me.