12+ Years Sober: Todd’s Journey from Early Addiction to Friday Milestones
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12+ Years Sober: Todd’s Journey from Early Addiction to Friday Milestones

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Todd shares his 12‑and‑a‑half years of sobriety, reflecting on a childhood of constant drug use, chaotic adulthood, and the pivotal moment at age 41 that led him to AA. He highlights the significance of counting Friday nights sober and the struggle to connect with a higher power.

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Good evening, everybody. My name is Todd and I'm an alcoholic.

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Thank you very much Ben for asking me to come tonight.

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I love this group. This group has been...you guys are so good to each other.

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Like you really are there for each other. You're a great example of what Alcoholics Anonymous

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does as a group and what Alcoholics Anonymous...what groups can do

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within the larger AA frame and I just

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appreciate you so much. When I was...well, I'll tell that story later.

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My sobriety date is October 7, 2011

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and so that gives me 12 and a half

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years, a little more. And actually more important than that

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yesterday was 655 Friday nights that I've

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been sober. And I count my Friday nights because I got sober on a Friday

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and it's kind of difficult if you're going to get sober to

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face the weekend without drinking and using, at least for

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me. And for me to be able to say that my sobriety

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date is October 7, 2011 is crazy because I'm the

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guy who I absolutely did not want to get sober. I came

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kicking and screaming. There was no reason why I needed to

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be sober. It was everything and everybody else and all the circumstances and the terrible

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the things that had happened

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to me. And I was a victim and you know

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I would just leave me alone. In fact, if you would come over and bring me drugs and

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alcohol it would probably work out better for all of us. You know, I'm the

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guy that since I'm about 12 and a half I start smoking marijuana

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12 and a half and I'm smoking every 15 minutes from that

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point on. I mean, literally. I roll 12 joints in the morning and put them in the

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back of my pocket and that's how I go to school. That's how I went to work. You know, I smoke when

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I drive. I smoke when...you know, I am...and then I'm a big time smoker.

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I also smoked a pack and a half of Marlboro Red Box from maybe age

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14. I would drink whatever was available when I was a kid

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you know, because not much was available except what we

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could steal out of, you know, our parents

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friends bars. My parents

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really weren't drinkers. I think they had a bottle of triple sec

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above the refrigerator and

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sure enough we tried it. Triple secs, not good by itself.

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But I always, from the time before I even

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start drinking or using, from the time I'm about 6 years old, I'm the kid

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that I'll go in the front yard and I will spin and spin and spin around and around

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and around and around and get my head off like that and I always want to just get

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out of myself that way. I always want a different feeling. And when I found

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alcohol and drugs, it was

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that was what I was meant for. And I was

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very comfortable. I wasn't the kid that was paranoid or

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worried about the police or the FBI or any of that

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you know, I had no

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low tolerance at all. I mean, I was able to drink and drink

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and drink and drink and smoke and smoke and smoke and smoke. I didn't understand people that couldn't handle

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their alcohol because I could. I don't know why and I always

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wanted one more. And through my whole drinking career, that's how

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it was. I mean, if I have this in my hand and that glass gets more than half empty

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I am thinking about how to fill it up with the next one. I am always about

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the next one. I absolutely have the obsession of more

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and needing more. And you know, so

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what it was like, I kind of skate by as a kid

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and in my 20s, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't chaos

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and that there wasn't a lot of lying by omission

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and there wasn't, I mean, if I'm nine minutes late

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I'm on time, you know, at that point. I wasn't really

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successful in anything that I did, but I was really good at like covering up.

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And you know, sure there were some nights that I spent in the drunk tank. There's

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probably five or six, you know, where I get

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pulled in and they throw me in for an overnight.

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There was relationships that, you know, ended in turmoil because

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of our drinking and using.

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You know, there were people that I let down, but you know, I took my car over the

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side of a freeway once and I'm

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such a good boy I waited for the police to show up. And they threw me

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in jail that night too. But I was basically able to skate

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by because, you know, I was good to my grandma. So people thought I was a good kid.

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People thought I was good. And I was social. I wasn't, it didn't make me go

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run away. And all my friends were drinking and using too, so it all seemed

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very, very normal. I mean, I did not think that this was out of the

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ordinary or something that was abnormal in any way.

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Everybody I knew was doing this. So what

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happens to me is, like I say, kind of skate by

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in my teens and twenties, my thirties, and

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this whole time, you know, I had a belief in

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a higher power that I referred to as God. But it was

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not really a belief as much as it was a respect. It was a respect

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because other people had this God thing. I had no

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connection. I had no relationship. I had no spirituality whatsoever.

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In fact, I thought spirituality was religion

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and I was absolutely not a religious person, so I wasn't going to subscribe to

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anything like that, you know, connection. But I did have a respect. So it's not

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like I didn't, I wasn't exposed to a higher power.

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I just wasn't connected. And when I turned 41,

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I faced the great tragedy of my life.

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And I know that that happens to everybody. Everybody comes across something

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that they consider like the big thing that knocks you off balance and

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you know, and I didn't know anything about the program, V alcohol, it's anonymous

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when this happened. I had a solution, one solution only

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and that was drinking and using. And that's really what I thought worked.

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That got me away from my pain. You know, that got me away

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from the memories and the, you know, it helped me

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to have a shield. That was my shield. And

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my great tragedy was I was in a relationship from the time I was 30

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up until 41. And we

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I was in a relationship with somebody who was an absolute

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alcoholic and a complete speed demon. And I was just the guy that

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smokes pot every 15 minutes and can handle his alcohol. You know, I'm the guy who

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I had a cocaine Thursday and I had a cocaine February. You know, I was the guy

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who was judging this person for all their drinking and using.

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Not really even aware of how I was or

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looking at myself ever. Anyhow, one Sunday night

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we get into, well Sunday morning actually, we get into an

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argument, an argument that lasts all day. And usually when

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I would get in an argument with John, he would win every

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single time. He'd win every time. But this particular day

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that wasn't happening. This particular day, every time it started up

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between us, I won. I got the exclamation point. You know, I got

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the point across. I shut him down. You know, and I just wasn't gonna

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have it anymore. I wasn't gonna have it. It was one of those and this argument lasted

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all day and into the night and about 9.45 that night

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he took me out in our backyard and he put a gun

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to his head and he blew his brains out right in front of me. And he won the argument

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that day. And I hate to say it, but the only way that an alcoholic ever wins an argument

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is to hurt somebody else. It's never a win-win with an alcoholic.

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Ever. I'm so glad for this program that I realize that a real win is something where I

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lift you up, not where I'm lifted up myself. And then when I lift

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you up, we're both raised. And if it's a win-win, then that's a win. But in this

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particular case, John won by suicide. And

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he really changed my life. And because I had no

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connection at all with anything bigger than me, I went off the rails.

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And I ran to my only solution.

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You know, I upped the ante with the drugs.

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I crawled into the bottle. I, you know, I lived inside the

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pipe. And everything about that time was

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horrible. This happened October 1, 2006.

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And by December of that year, I'd lost

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60 pounds. I couldn't work. My whole family was

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afraid of me. I wasn't allowed over at my mother's house.

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My brothers wouldn't talk to me. I had very few friends that were

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coming around. Now, you know, right after the suicide, of course, everybody

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was, I mean, I had 40 people at my house for two weeks. And boy was

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I glad when they were gone. Because I just needed to get

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loaded. And I did. And I found crystal methamphetamine.

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And I just, I did everything I could to try to live in

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my solution. Again, I knew nothing about this program. I knew nothing

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about spirituality. So I had nothing else to go to. Only what I knew. And

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by December, I, you know, my body was

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starting to really fail. I mean, I

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got down to about 119 pounds. And

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worse than that, my mind really went wayward. I mean, I'm

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the guy that, you know, I see every tree person. And

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I see all the shadow people. And it all makes sense to me. And, you

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know, I'm channeling different voices. And I'm listening. And I'm talking. I mean, I absolutely

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know how those crazy people on the street, those homeless people, when they talk to themselves, I'm like,

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"Oh, I know how that feels. I know how that is." And there was nothing, nothing,

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nothing that was going to bring me back except a psychic change

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that this program can offer a person. So one, so

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December, January, I don't know when it was exactly. But there's

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one early morning where in my boxer shorts,

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I crawl up onto my roof. And I had been on the internet. You know,

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I discovered a webcam chat. It was the first, you know, it was

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2006. And I discovered a webcam chat. And so I was doing things on the

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internet that we don't necessarily need to talk about. But I'll let your imagination just

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run. Bump your nose. Anyways, I was doing

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a lot of things that I wouldn't want you to Google my screen name with. And

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it was because I was craving that social interaction that I had had my whole life.

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But I wasn't allowing myself because I was isolating so much. And

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I just needed it. And it started, you know,

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to get really heavy. And I was starting to get

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stopped in real life by people that I had seen on the

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screen. And it got really, really, really twisted and

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weird. And one Saturday morning early

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in my boxer shorts, I crawl up on my roof. And I decide right then and there

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I'm going to tell the whole neighborhood exactly what they've been doing

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to me. And how dare them. How dare them not give me the concessions for

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what I saw and what I went through. And I know you all know. And I know

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you all know what a good guy I am. And, you know, and I'm orating

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about how I'm a nice Jewish book. You know, I'm just a nice guy.

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And how dare them. And after several minutes

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of me rattling off, I hear some children

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who are playing just a couple houses away. I hear this one

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little girl scream up at me and she says, "You're crazy, mister." And I

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lost it. I got so upset. And I ran to the very edge of my roof

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and I started screaming at all these little children. And I'm telling all these

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kids, "I'm crazy. You're crazy. Don't you know what your

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parents are doing? Don't you know what they're doing to me? And how dare you?

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You're, you know, and I'm cursing and I'm saying all kinds of

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stuff. And I'm talking about their animals. They're foul-mouthed

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animals who, because the dogs are talking to me at this point, you know,

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I can hear words in their barks and the

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dogs curse. And palm trees are mean.

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But, you know, but psychosis is a bee.

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And that's what I was in. And anyway, so I'm yelling at

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little children and after about ten minutes, six policemen

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start coming up my driveway. They're all in formation. They have their

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rifles out and they are asking me to come down off the roof. And I am

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livid. I am so upset. And I scream down to the cops

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and I say, "Am I doing anything illegal? This is my roof. I'm not doing

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anything illegal." And they agreed. I wasn't doing anything illegal.

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But they were just concerned and they wanted me to come down off my roof. And it took them

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twenty, maybe thirty minutes for me to come down to the edge

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and get to the ladder and start down the ladder.

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At which point they abruptly kicked me up, put cuffs

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on me and threw me in the back of the squad car. They tricked me. And they

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took me to my very first 5150. And I say my very first because there must have been

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at least ten or twelve of these incidences. I've been taken to

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psych wards and hospitals strapped to a gurney.

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I've been put in isolation. I've been taken by ambulance.

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I've been taken by police car. I've been taken by family member. I

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have literally been out of my mind kicking and

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screaming. And when I get to these places, you know, I try to be good because

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I want to get out. They don't let you drink and do drugs in these places.

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And I need to get out. So I would sort of act like I'm paying attention.

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And I have to say, as much as I hated and I did, I hated being

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out there. But as much as I hated it, I am so grateful because

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it's there in those hospitals that for the very first time a panel

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of alcoholics come in and they do an H&I panel. And it's the very first time

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that I hear really what Alcoholics Anonymous is. I just

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didn't know what it was before. I mean, I knew the word sober, but I never knew the word

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recovery. You know, recovery is something that you do when you

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upholster a couch. You know, it wasn't anything that I understood.

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And what I particularly paid attention to

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was, you know, a panel of alcoholics. It's three people.

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They come in, they tell their stories. And they were pretty

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ugly stories. You know, they were, even though, of course, you know,

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mine was the worst story in the room. Of course, mine's the worst story in the room.

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I've called myself the king of 5150 because I've had so many. But generally, I

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speak at these meetings and I look around the room and I realize I'm not the king. But anyways,

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I hear for the first time that maybe,

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maybe there just might be a different way for me to be.

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That perhaps I might be doing something wrong that's not

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keeping me comfortable. Maybe drinking really

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isn't the solution. Maybe that's the thing that's tying me up. Maybe that's

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the problem. And here's what I really liked about them. They never

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shook their finger at me and pointed at me and said, "You should stop drinking! Don't do

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drugs! You should not do drugs! How dare you! How dare you do this! You better

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stop!" You know, they didn't tell me to do anything. They just talked about themselves.

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And then they said this, that they didn't think about

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drinking. The obsession had been lifted. And after the story that

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I just heard from each of them, I'm like, "The obsession had been lifted?"

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I mean, I absolutely am obsessed with drinking

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and using drugs. Period. I constantly think about it.

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I'd say I constantly think about it when I don't have it, but I always have it.

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So even if I have it, I'm thinking about how to get the next one. If I'm in a bar and they call

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last call, I'm the first one at that bar and I'm asking for two. I'm not getting

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one. I drink nine Long Island iced teas. I do not

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drink beer. And when I'm being good, it's vodka.

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It's vodka. So as I get older, it was kettle one because, you know,

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I don't want to have a headache that Kamchatka used to give me.

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But I always wanted, you know,

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more. And they were saying that that obsession had been lifted.

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It was hard for me to believe because I have my thoughts.

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I have my racing thoughts. And I've been dealing with them by drinking alcohol

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and doing drugs. So curious to me. And they said, you know, it would be great

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if when you get out of here, you have an exit plan. Go to one of these meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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There's over 3,000 meetings in Los Angeles. You're the luckiest person alive

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to be in this disease in L.A.

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Go to your counselor. Get a book. Call central office. They told me all these things

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how I can connect. And they said, oh, and this. Do it the day you walk out.

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Do it the very day. Because what will happen is you don't ever want to drink

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and use again after being held in this hospital. And you'll go home and you will

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absolutely say that you don't want to. But as soon as you get home,

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your life goes like this. And my hand goes like this.

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And I'm going to call the connect and I'm going to go get alcohol because I don't know anything else.

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So run to the solution. Run to the solution. I wish I did. Because

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I obviously had another couple of years

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in my disease. When I first discovered Alcoholics Anonymous

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I can never get past 10 or 12 days for just under three years.

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I stand up as a newcomer at every meeting for almost

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three years. And when they say, you know, oh, we do this

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not to embarrass you, but so that we can get to know you, I'm like, you all know me.

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Like, you definitely know me. But, you know, I kind of credit

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my sobriety today to the fact that I

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was honest then. I never told you I was sober when I

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wasn't sober. I never lied about that. And coupled

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with, you know, when they'd say keep coming back, I kept coming back. I did.

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Now, I would use or go out and I wouldn't come back that day or even

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the next day or maybe even that week. But I would come back because I knew

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that there was a solution here. And I was definitely at the end of my rope.

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And I had no good ideas. So I start going to

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AA meetings and I thought I had surrendered

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because I read all these fine steps on the wall, you know, but I'm looking

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at the steps and like, well, I'm absolutely powerless. I understand that.

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I guess I'm unmanageable. I mean, you know, what happened and

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what could something really I guess maybe something can restore me to sanity. And then step

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three, that was the best, you know, turn my will

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my will, the things that I want, turn it over to something bigger

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than me to help make those decisions. And I was on board for

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one, two and three. But that step four, that was a trick because they're going to make me read that

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to somebody in step five. And I'm not going to do those two. So let's look at, you know,

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and that's how I that's how I surrender. I picked and

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choose what steps I was going to play with. And sure enough, I

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didn't stay sober. Oh, you know, for the first year, marijuana was not going to be part of

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my program. You know, I knew that I should probably stop drinking

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alcohol and certainly I shouldn't be smoking crystal meth, but I never smoked drunk

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kick to dogs. So, you know, the funny thing

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was is the longer I kept smoking marijuana and even if I considered

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that, you know, sober still was only a day or two before I

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would drink or use drugs. It wasn't until I put that down that I was able

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to put it all down. And like I say, it took a long time. What happened

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was I started doing what I saw you were doing and I

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started to mimic what you were doing. And you were reading that book with different people.

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So I guess I need to read that book with different people. I wasn't I tried

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to pick a sponsor, but it didn't work out. And then the second guy

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I picked was a little too religious and said Jesus

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was going to save me and I had to get rid of him. And, you know,

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I really couldn't pick a sponsor until I

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had some physical sobriety. I mean, I picked my sponsor at like

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two or three months sober, the sponsor that I have today.

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And he's the man that took me through the steps. He read the forwards with

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me. He read The Doctor's Opinion and he read every chapter in that book.

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And we had a book study where we would read a story out of the

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first, second, and third editions. So I got to read all the stories with him

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as well. And he really did walk me through that book. And

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at 60 days sober. Well, let's go back just a little bit.

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At 26 days sober. It had been three years.

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And I, you know, there were people betting against me. You know, I was

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so not right sized. I would stand up on chairs and scream

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at people, "This is right size. You don't understand."

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But at 26 days sober, I realized

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that day something was different. Like the surrender was different. And it wasn't that

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I surrendered to a higher power. I surrendered to what

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was right. The right thing to do. The next right thing.

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That was my real surrender. It wasn't having

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an excuse or reason or a better idea. Or, "Oh, I know

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I should." Or, "I will. I will win." Or, "If this

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happens, I will do." It wasn't any of that. It was if that was the right thing

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to do because I had a little bit of physical sobriety. You know, I absolutely believed

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that God always lets you know exactly what the right thing is.

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You know, this stuff that, "Oh, I don't know what God's will is." Well, God's will

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is to help other people that are around you. We aren't born on

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an island by ourselves. I was born with seven and a half billion people

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in this world. And I think that I'm supposed to help my fellows.

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And lift them up. And help them see light. And if I do,

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if I do help you, and the light does come on in your eyes, that light

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is shining on me, my life just got brighter. So, I had been

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surrendering to the next right thing. The right thing was read the book with

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these people. Do these steps. Really start these steps.

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They come early. Stay late.

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Clean those bathrooms. Pick up the sponge and do those

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tables. And, you know, that's, I started doing that because

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you were doing that and I knew that was the right thing to do. And on that 26th day of sobriety

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when I realized that I was going to get 30 days, I was going to get

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30 days. I just knew it. And, like I said, I was a cigarette

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smoker for a very long time. On that 26th day after the meeting in the morning,

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I was outside with my friend Jody and I lit up a cigarette and we

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started talking. As soon as I took the first drag, my head said, "Todd,

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you don't need those cigarettes anymore either." And rather than make an excuse,

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you know, it was like November. I could have made a resolution

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on January 1st. Or, you know, I'm smoking with Jody

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who was a very heavy smoker and Jody really needs to quit. And if Jody

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quits, maybe I'll quit and we'll support each other. Or here was

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the best one. I had 18 cigarettes in my top pocket here.

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When this pack is over, I will never buy them again.

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I'm just going to finish this pack. They're very expensive. Rather than

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have any other idea, my head said, "Todd, you don't need those cigarettes anymore

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either." My hand just went like this. I took them out. I walked over to the

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trash and I threw them away. And I have not had a cigarette since by some miracle

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of this program and that practice of

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doing right action. Just doing what is right. And, you know,

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I didn't even know I was going to quit two minutes before I did. And I didn't quit. I'll tell you

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what. I didn't quit. And I didn't quit drinking. And I didn't quit doing drugs. You know what I

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did? I surrendered. I surrendered to what is right. And that's what makes

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it possible. That's what makes it simple. You know, I hesitate

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before I'm going to say easy because I know that sobriety is not

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easy for a lot of people. That's only because I'm in my own way. That's only because

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I'm making choices that I'm not running through something

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bigger than me. And that doesn't have to be God. In fact, in the beginning

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it was just, I chose nature. I chose the universe.

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I chose, you know, I certainly wasn't going to be able to stop the

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waves from coming up. Or to, you know, set the

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sun and raise the moon. That wasn't up to me. So

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I felt like that was certainly bigger than me. And that's what I chose.

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And of course, you know, here's the thing about spirituality and connection.

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If you are in a completely dark closet,

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completely dark, and you open that door that much, not even

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that much, I can't even, just that much, and let just that much light

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in, you're not in a dark closet anymore. And the more you have light, for me,

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you know, I have the disease of more. I want, if I feel good,

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I want more of that good. I want to push that door open a little bit more.

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I want to see more of what that is. And my higher power

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has evolved into a comfortable, easy, simple

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God that is as important as everybody

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else's. And that's one thing I really, really love about this program. That

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you know, as soon as I say God, everybody has a different picture, a different idea.

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And what you think is just as important as what I think, even if you think

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it doesn't exist, it's exactly as important as mine. I sort of feel

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with spirituality and higher power that if that were a

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blanket, every single one of us gets to carry a single thread. So my

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thread is not more important than your thread. It's all part of the blanket. And

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you know, my thread might be different colors than your thread, or

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it might have a different shape than your thread. But it's just as

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viable and just as important. And for so long as I try

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to seek what that is, I'm in the know.

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For so long as I try, I don't have to figure out higher

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power and God. And I never will. I never will. I just have to

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continue to seek and ask and be close to and let and get out of the way

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from. And say you first. You go first. In fact, I was sitting

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up and I said, okay, God, go stand there so I can stand right with you, you know.

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And my spirituality is,

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well, my spiritual awakening was that I stopped levitating, you know. I

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was levitating before I came into Alcoholics Anonymous, and I stopped

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levitating. My spirituality and connection is certainly real and certainly

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up there, but my feet are firmly planted on this Earth.

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You know, that make no bones about it. I am not some

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giant guru that thinks I'm floating on air. I am

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real world spirituality. It is being used and

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I am being used and it is working with and through me. And

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it's not anything that I have to like tell anybody that, oh, this is

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how it is. You must believe me. No, it's just something that

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comes with me. I mean, the greatest gift that Alcoholics Anonymous has given me

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is definitely a connection with spirit. And, I mean, that's the key to

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the kingdom for me. And, you know, the keys to this kingdom,

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I've been given the keys to the kingdom, but I got to tell you, those keys will get

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awful rusty if I don't use them to help set other people free.

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If I don't carry this message that I have found to other people,

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what good is it? And if I can't help you

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see something inside yourself, you don't need to see it in me.

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And I don't need to go around proving to anyone that I'm sober. I go

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home at night and I put my head on the pillow. And I know. But if

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you can see it within yourself, that's what I want to help, you know,

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manufacture. And I got to tell you, I've been gifted with

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a lot of wonderful commitments in Alcoholics Anonymous.

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But one of the greatest things that I got to do was

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at 60 Days Sober go to the H&I group in the San Fernando

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Valley and volunteer my time. Because that's where I found the message and I wanted to carry

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the message of Alcoholics the way that it was carried to me. So I wanted to go on

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panels and I went to the H&I meeting and

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it was different then. Now they have panels on tables. But before

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they used to call them from the podium and they had said

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I thought that they were asking people to speak on a panel. And he said Tuesday

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and nobody raised their hand. And I was like, nobody raised their hand? Okay, well I'm

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over. I can speak on Tuesday. And they came over and they ran a little sheet to me and they

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had given me my own panel. I didn't know I only had 60 days. And all my

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friends came up to me and said, oh no, you can't do that. You have to have six months and you can't

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do that. And the chairperson of that particular panel looked at me and she said,

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you know what, kid, we need you. And we're going to take a chance on you and I'm going to let you have the panel.

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You're just going to mirror somebody else for one or two months and then you can have your own panel.

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And thank God she did because I have been sober ever since. And

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I had that panel and I started to come

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early and help pack the books. And the next thing you know, the next year I was the literature fund

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chair. And then suddenly I was the co-chair

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of the whole H&I program and soon the director, the director

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in charge of 150 plus

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panels in jails and institutions every month. The guy

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that was standing on the roof screaming and yelling at children and being taken into

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those places and being held strapped to a gurney. That was

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the guy that was in charge for a little while. That's one thing that

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Alcoholics Anonymous really does well. It transforms people

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in amazing ways and makes them so

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comfortable. And I have to tell you, the obsession has been lifted

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long lifted long ago. And the only time I think about

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drinking or using is when I'm at a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous and talking about

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it. And I'm protected there because I'm right in the middle. Right in the middle.

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I don't think I've ever had a bad day in Alcoholics Anonymous. I've had some bad moments.

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You know, bad things have happened. You know, life is life and bad things have happened.

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There are no bad days in AA. There are only good days and

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great days. And a good day is I wake up in the morning

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and I go to my meeting. I go to work.

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I talk to an alcoholic or two. You know, things go okay at work.

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I have a nice lunch. You know, I go home, watch a little

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TV, have dinner, connect with some friends, what have you. I go to sleep

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and I didn't drink that day. And boy, that's a good day. But a great day.

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A great day in Alcoholics Anonymous is when I wake up

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in the morning and my car doesn't start. I'm going to be late to work. I might not even get to work.

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I've got to figure out how to get to work. I'll call them. They're upset that I have to get there.

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When I finally get there, everything at work goes wrong. And people are yelling at me

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and I feel like I've let somebody down and

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I get a call later and my brother dies that day. And I'm

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devastated when I go home and I don't eat and

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I'm crying and I go home and I put my head on the pillow and

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I didn't drink. And that's a great day in Alcoholics Anonymous because

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it doesn't matter what your circumstances are in this program. You

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don't have to drink ever again if you don't want to. And even if you

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want to, you don't have to. And I had to before knowing

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what this program was. I absolutely had to. And that's

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gone. I am relieved. You know, I am so grateful.

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So grateful to be standing here, 40 pounds,

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too sober, and have my work life and

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my family life and my home life and my friend life and

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my relationship with me. I have a relationship

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with myself. I like myself. And I'm comfortable with myself.

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And I am not first. I do ask God to go first.

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And it works. It really works. It really does.

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I want to thank everybody for being here tonight. I really appreciate being

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asked to speak. And when I thank you, I don't thank you just

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for myself, but I thank you truly from the bottom of my

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mother's heart. Because if you could see what her life is today

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because she has a sober son, thank you so much for being here.