From Infant Peyote to 15 Years Sober: Robert's Unusual Path
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From Infant Peyote to 15 Years Sober: Robert's Unusual Path

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Robert shares a vivid life story, from a mind‑opening infant experience with peyote to early encounters with alcohol, a prom wine binge, and a near‑death fog episode. He reflects on decades of drinking, drug use, and the journey that led to 15 years of sobriety.

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Okay, hi everybody. My name is Robert Baker. I'm an alcoholic. July 3rd, 2010 is my sobriety date.

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Feels like a long time ago. I've got 15 years under my belt now, and sometimes it feels like

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yesterday. But first off, I really have two sobriety dates. My mother was an alcoholic,

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and in 10 years she had three miscarriages. And I have a book of hers, 12 and 12,

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and in the front of it, it says March 27th, 1959. And I was born six months later, so

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that's my first real sobriety date. I also found out from her about when I was 19 that I had a

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spiritual experience and a mind-opening experience as an infant. I had the colic, and I was

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driving her crazy, coughing and gassy, and not being very well at all. And there was a native

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Indian woman that lived next door. They were in West Texas in the desert, and she said, "I'll be

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right back." So she goes off out into the desert, comes back, brews up some kind of a tea, and said,

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"Give this to the baby. It's going to help." And so with my mother's wise thinking, she gave it

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to me right away, and according to her, I calmed right down. And then she had the thought of mind,

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"What did I just give the baby?" Peyote tea. I had a mind-opening experience as an infant,

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and I always wondered why I still remember the scent of my mother's cologne, my sin, why I still

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as an infant, six months old, one year old, remember my surroundings, patterns, the drapes,

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conversations, shadows, and distinctly remember knowing what they were saying to me and trying

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to have a conversation with them, and being very frustrated as an infant and a child, and find out

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at 19 that I had had that mind-opening experience. It kind of blew me away, and it explained a lot of

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things why I was so shy, so scared, so reserved, always scared of the dark, and nothing really

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helped. But there was one thing that did help, and that was a little beer. I remember when I was four

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years old, my dad used to be sitting in his La-Z-Boy chair watching Ed Sullivan or the

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Jackie Gleason show, and he'd have about this much beer left. Well, I had the thought that if I just

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went at four years old and got him a beer, and I could open it up with those things called church

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keys, you'd pop the top on both sides. He didn't have pull tabs back in those days. And I'd hand

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him a cold beer, and I'd take his other beer, and there'd still be a little bit left. And if

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he's sitting back in his chair, I could run off and take that beer. And I got a little relief

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at four and five years old sometimes, and didn't really realize what I was doing. But I remember

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the feeling. All through school, I wanted everything my way, and I never followed really

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much instructions from my parents. They gave me a Schwinn bicycle when I was in junior high,

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and I rode that thing all around, started a paper route. I always worked. I worked since I was 11

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years old. When I got out of high school, I still really wasn't drinking much. My dad made wine,

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and we'd have a little sip of that every once in a while. But I wasn't a druggie. I wasn't

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an alcoholic. I really didn't partake. I stayed away from it. But on the night that my prom was,

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I talked a friend of mine into coming along with me and going to my dad's house and siphoning off

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about a gallon of wine out of his little store of it. And we proceeded to drink that whole gallon

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of wine with orange juice and got sick as a dog. I remember projectile vomit. Always remember the

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vomit. And we had it all over our suits. I had a baby blue polyester suit that I wore to prom with

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a ruffled front and a big bow tie. 1977. And my buddy had a green polyester suit on,

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and we were covered in red wine. And we were sitting up holding each other sound asleep in

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his mother's house the next morning. And she walked in, took a picture of us and said,

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"Oh, how cute." And then she made us breakfast. I don't know. It was a different time.

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I started working. I'm from Pops, New Mexico, a really small town in New Mexico,

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oilfield country. But I always worked in a place where I could eat and drink for free,

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either a supermarket or I worked in a restaurant for a lot of years there. We were in direct

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competition with the country club. And when I was bartending, I always liked top shelf liquor. And

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I was good at selling it and I was better at drinking it. I turned 21 and they took me up

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to the end of the mountain gods in Ruidosa, New Mexico. And I drank a whole bottle of Crown Royal

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on the way up there. I don't remember getting up there and enjoying myself the way I should have

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with my buddies. We were six guys in a Delta 88 Royale, and all going up to the end of the

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mountain gods. And we're supposed to be really having a good time. And I was passed out. I

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remember waking up the next morning with my head throbbing. And I literally thought I was dead.

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I was in this fog. So I knew I was dead because I couldn't see anything around me. And the grass was

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perfect. And then a little while later, the fog started lifting. And I could see some water and

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I could see some swans. And these swans are making a little noise and they're out there on the water.

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And I knew I was dead. And then the sun started coming up and the clouds started to lift a little

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more. I realized I'm on the golf course on a green. I'm half naked. I look up at the hotel

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and all my friends are mooning me out the window. When I came out to California, I came out here

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because of trauma and geographics. I first moved to Massachusetts for this for the summer and did

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way too much of everything. And like a summer of experimenting with everything. Acid, MDA,

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the whole nine yards, but still always drinking. And when I came out to California, I was I was out

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here for about, let's see, this was about 1976. I came out here because my roommate was a major

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alcoholic. And I said I was leaving and going out to California. And he could come with me

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if he wanted to. But for some unknown reason, he thought it was a very disastrous moment in his

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life. So he decided to hang himself with the cable cord. And I found him and couldn't believe what I

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was seeing. And I just had to get out of that little town. He was a major alcoholic. I was,

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I drank a lot that I was in a major alcoholic at the time, though I'd already had two DUIs in that

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small town within 10 years. So when I came out to Los Angeles, I started working up at Universal

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Studios at Tony Roma's before city walk was there. And I'm in my early 30s. And that place was known

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for all the 21 year old parties. And I was there for almost nine years. Well, six years. And it

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was just all these 21 year olds for years and years and years. And I just was and we were

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drinking all the time. And I used to drive home but never get home because I was going to all

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the bars in different places. And I'd stay at friend's house. And I'd still be in the uniform

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when I had to show up the next day from the uniform from the night before. And I was an

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absolute mess. My, my ex, we had gone to Palm Springs for a year and run a small hotel. And

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we did a lot of drugs in Palm Springs. I don't remember a whole lot about it. I only did crystal

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meth once for 10 years. But again, a lot of drinking we drank until the wheels fell off. And

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my ex who had AIDS passed away in my living room after languishing for almost a year. And the night

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before he passed away, I had gone out and tied a really good drunk on because I'd stopped working

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and I had to relieve myself. There was no way to get away from this pressure. And I came back the

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next morning and the the girl that was taking care of Dennis was really mad at me because I stayed

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away for six hours too long. I'd never done that before. And he woke up and hadn't spoken in over

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six weeks. And when he woke up, I said, You're speaking? He goes, Yeah, I'm scared. And I looked

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at him and I said, You don't have to be scared. I don't know where this came from. But it just came

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to me. I said, There's a little boy inside you. His name is Dennis. And he's scared. He needs to

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hold your hand. Go take his hand and walk away. And he died. But I'm amazed that people need

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permission sometimes. I moved back to New Mexico for a minute and came back here for a New Year's

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Eve party. I don't think I had been at my back into my mother's house for more than four months.

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I had lived out here for like nine years. And I came back to that. And I stayed about a month or

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so, a couple of months. And then the '94 earthquake hit. And I knew that that was my sign to come back

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because everybody here was in trauma. And I wanted to help. And I went back and got all my pre

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earthquake dishes, brought them back to Los Angeles, and started a new life. I didn't have

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a job at the time. And I met my husband, Robert, who's out in the audience here tonight, my little

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Alan also has 15 years now. We've been together for 31 years, going on 32 years of wedded bliss,

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if you can call it that. I put him through a lot the first 15 years. I didn't really know how to

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have a really good relationship because I was basically a battered husband. The first

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relationship I had spoken about with Dennis was very volatile, very angry, very upsetting. And I

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had pulled into my cell thinking, "Well, this is what I deserve." And I find somebody walks up to me

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in a club and says, "Hi, are you hungry?" I looked at him. I said, "I don't even know you. And I don't

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know your name." And he goes, "My name's Robert." And I said, "Right. Who put you up to this?" And

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he showed me his driver's license. And his name's Robert. I'm Robert. And in about 15 minutes,

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20 minutes, he had me out having pancakes and pork chops at Sidon's Restaurant in North Hollywood.

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And the rest was history. I always asked him at the time because I said, "Don't ever hit me." And

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he goes, "Why would I do that?" Because I was battered. And I drank a lot. I wasn't drinking

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a lot at the time. But for 15 years, I had really bad bouts of drinking where I almost burned the

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house down one night. It was very embarrassing to our friends and family. He had a wonderful family

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that accepted me as a brother. And I started working for the city of Los Angeles. I worked

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for the city of Los Angeles for 25 years. And during that first 15 years of our relationship,

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I would go off to Elysian Park or Island Park where I was working at the time. And by 2.30,

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time to get off work, I'd stop at a place and get a couple of beers, go to Griffith Park,

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drink those. So I could drive all the way to North Hollywood, get a couple of more beers at

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another place and fortify that with a little vodka and then try to find a trash can to get

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rid of the evidence. I did that on a daily basis for years. So I could go home and start drinking.

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And during that time, I had had a dream. And it scared me. It always scared me. In fact,

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I would get up in the middle of the night and drink to make the dream go away. I dreamt that

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I was in a vehicle without a front end and I was driving across the valley with somebody and we

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parked under a tree next to a blue fence with kids play equipment and a light on in the backyard.

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And down the street, there was a bicycle tied to a light post. And when I turned, there's always

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this black figure at the steering wheel. And I thought it was death coming to get me. There was

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also a wall of crosses in the background. It always scared me. I woke up in the middle of

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the night sweating sometimes with vomit in my face and, and choking. It seems to be a theme with us

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alcoholics. We forget about the vomit, don't we? Every single morning getting up and then throwing

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up in the shower for 20 minutes so we can get ready to go to work. That was lovely. But that

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dream was always there. So for almost eight years, I had that dream and it scared me and I never

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talked about it. And on the last night that I drank, it was July 2, 2010. I remember saying for

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the first time, "Do I have enough medicine for the weekend?" So I went to Costco, I got the big blue

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bottle of Sky Vodka because it had a pint that was taped to it and you get that for free. It was $19.95

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and at Albertsons, it was $30. So if I buy two, I'm getting, you know, I'm getting, I'm getting a

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deal. I did that for years. Always filled up the decanters around the house and, and tippled and

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made a mess. But that night I drank a whole bottle of Sky Vodka between three o'clock and 5.30 when

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Robert walked in the door. And I was pretty messed up, but we still got dressed and we were on our

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way to theater that night in North Hollywood. And we get there and I had already peed my khakis and

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that was a, that was a theme. I was a peer. I peed myself all the time. I said I always had a jacket

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with me and I'd cover up the front, not thinking that it's showing in the back. I walked myself

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out of the theater through the back door because I went out to the back to pee because it looked

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like there was 20 people in line at the, at the restroom. I'd come to find out there was only two

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guys at the in line and I got around to the front of the building and I couldn't figure out which

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building to get back into, which theater. There's only one, the Portale on Lancashire Boulevard.

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And about five minutes later I remembered that at home I kept throwing up and trying to get vodka

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in me that afternoon until it finally started going in. I asked God, is this the last drink

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that I have to take? I was looking at a palm tree out my window and I drank that whole bottle down.

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And then I realized as I'm laying there on the sidewalk on Lancashire Boulevard, watching the

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water go by in the curb, that God had kicked my ass to the curb. Literally the police drove up in

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these little green bikes. They got an ambulance and off I was going to, I think it was St. Joseph's.

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And what they did, they called everybody in my phone, every girl that I knew they called every,

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and they get down there and they say, where is his husband? Well, I have him down as the important

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person to call in my phone now. But they called him, they get down there. Belle, my friend Belle,

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had slapped me across the head. I was passed out completely. And she was like, oh no, he didn't

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bring us down here for this, did he? And I found out later that Robert was ready to, you know,

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he was packing up and ready to leave. And I pulled all the needles out late in the morning, early in

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the morning and said, I want to go home. And they said, no, Mr. Baker, you have to sit, lay down,

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you are done. And I'm leaving, I'm not arrested. So I ended up going home. I told Robert I wanted

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to go to a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous. And I asked a friend to come and get me the next morning.

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And he said, okay. So he took me to a meeting the next day. And I realized I'm riding in a vehicle

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without a front end. And we park under a tree next to a blue fence with kids play equipment. And

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there's a bicycle tied to the tree, the streetlight down the street. And I'm crying because I know I'm

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going to die now because I am awake. I look over and it's just my friend Kenny and a wall of

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crosses behind him. And it's the Comercio men's meeting in Woodland Hills that I went to for my

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first meeting. And Kenny says, what's wrong? He says, why are you crying? And so I just figured

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out you're supposed to be here. And I said, yeah, he goes, yeah, I know. We all know you're supposed

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to be here. He gave me this book, this magical book that is falling apart. It's all marked up.

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I didn't want a book. I didn't want to know about a book. I didn't want to know you. I didn't want

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to talk to you. I didn't want to know anything about it. But I took this book home. And that

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night I closed my eyes and opened the book and I said, okay, God, if you really want me here,

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I had the audacity to ask God for a sign after all that had happened. I opened up the book and

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under my finger it read, nothing, absolutely nothing happens in God's world by mistake.

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That's the first sentence I read out of the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous. And I thought it

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was a pretty good sign. I started going to different meetings. And as I had been passed out

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for the last 15 years and not available for Robert, I'm at meetings now. And he's like,

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well, what am I supposed to do? And two weeks later I said, well, maybe I hear there's a place

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for you too. He didn't like that idea. But he found his own way and found Al-Anon. And we

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basically at the time had to reintroduce ourselves to one another and become friends again and enjoy

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each other's company and learn how to live together. And we've done that for the last

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15 years. And during that time, I have gone to so many different meetings. I've gone to Canada with

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my buddy Don Crandall a couple of times. We've been to the Atlanta International Convention in 2015.

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We've traveled a lot. I got a lot of windshield time with him and a lot of other guys and women.

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We like to travel. And then my mentor passed away. He was always one to say, you should always wear

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a tie when you're leading. You should always wear a tie when you're speaking. You should always wear

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a tie on your birthday. And somewhere in that first couple of years, the first year, I was asked

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to speak. And I said, I really like this. And I said, I'm going to cure everyone in AN. I'm going

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to wear a funny tie and I'm going to go out and buy a bunch of ties and be known for my ties and

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as if any of you drunks out there would realize I had a tie on in the first place. And I wasn't

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asked to speak again for two years until I literally got humbled. But during that time,

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I bought about 500 ties. And if you're a newcomer or not and you need a tie, you're more than welcome

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to one of these ties tonight. Please take one. I still have at least 300 ties to give away. I

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have guys coming up to me a year later, two years later, eight years later. I've been saving this

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ugly tie. I want you to give me my cake. I'm wearing your tie. So it means a lot to me when

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these guys come up and they're happy they've got an ugly tie. I've got a nice ugly tie on myself

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tonight. Step six was big for me. We're entirely ready for God to remove all these defects of

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character. I'm still waiting and it's been 15 years. I still have defects of character.

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And in the 12 and 12 on page 63 is step six. And the prayer that I use is the third step prayer in

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the big book. And it asks me to ask God to remove my difficulties. And it's on page 63 in the big

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book. I find that to be an odd coincidence that God put that there for me. I have had so many

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wonderful experiences in Alcoholics Anonymous. My first meetings at the Valley Club, several

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of the women said you've landed in your family of understanding. And I understood that. And my

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friend Robin, she basically put her wings around me and took care of me because I was afraid. We're

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all in fear when we first come into Alcoholics Anonymous. And we have to give ourselves permission

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to do this thing and allow ourselves to open up and open up to the fellowship and the possibility

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that somebody out there cares. And that's what it's the big sign at the Valley Club says we care.

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And I believe it. The only thing that kind of kept me organized in my first year were these

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meeting directories. I wrote down every single meeting that I went to for the first year. I've

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got seven directories. Every person that led the meeting, every person that got a little obsessive,

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every person that led the meeting, the topic, where it was located, and telephone numbers.

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And I can tell you the day that I met my first sponsor, Dave, and all the different things that

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happened to me in that first year. And it's a wonderful thing to write things down and have a

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ledger of your history as you're coming through and coming into Alcoholics Anonymous. If you've

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never done it before, I highly suggest that you just start writing your own history. You'll be

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amazed what you were doing 10, 15 years ago when you start reading and where you are today.

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After Don passed away, I wasn't getting in the car with guys and gals and driving around. I wasn't

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going to a lot of different meetings. I go to seven meetings a week right now. And I'm retired,

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but I'm kind of blown away that I actually go to that many meetings. And it doesn't even feel like

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it sometimes. Don always said pick a home group and be part of that home group and always go to

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that meeting. And if you miss a meeting, it's because there's a death in your family, yours.

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He always told me that a home group meeting is your one and only home group meeting that

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you vote in. That's what we do in Alcoholics Anonymous. I've heard that some people have two,

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three, four different home groups. That's why I go to seven different meetings, but I don't vote

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in but one of those meetings. It's just the way I was raised in Alcoholics Anonymous.

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And that's one of the things that I've taken away from Alcoholics Anonymous. You can support

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all these different meetings. You can support the convention and you can support when you

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do H&I work and take the message of Alcoholics Anonymous into all kinds of different places.

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But what I've tried to take along with me is just that message from my friend. I never realized

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that I would miss him so much. And I mean, the man passed away in his mid 80s and I always thought I

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had enough time to be with him more and more. Don't ever take advantage of any of your time

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here in Alcoholics Anonymous. I noticed tonight, and it was wonderful, that everyone in the room

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came up and introduced themselves to me and shook my hand and said hello. And I love that. I hadn't

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seen that a lot down here when I first came into Alcoholics Anonymous. And when Don took me up to

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see Cecil Corregal, he turned 66 years old in Alcoholics Anonymous. And I went to his meeting

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and everybody in the room had a big book. And when anybody read anything partial of step three,

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a portion of step five, we all read it out of the big book like I did tonight. It keeps me off my

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phone. It keeps me centered. That's another reason why my book is falling apart. I've read it at

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every single meeting for the last 15 years. Alcoholics Anonymous started in someone's living

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room. And in Canada, the two meetings that I went to all have sofas like this. They had sofas around

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the room. Every single person went around the room and shook everyone's hand and everybody had

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their book. And the other thing that I learned when I was up there was Don was sitting on the

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bed one morning in the room we were sharing and he was reading. And I said, "Excuse me,

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what are you reading?" He goes, "I'm spending five minutes with God." I went, "Oh my God. Excuse

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me. I'll leave you alone. You two are busy." So he asked me later, he goes, "Do you want to know

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what that is?" And I said, "Yes." And he said, "It's page 84 to 88 because that's the owner's

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manual to that thing between your ears. It's written in plain English. It says that we do

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this for a lifetime. It tells you exactly what to do and in order on a daily basis, step 10 and 11.

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You don't have to go back and do a complete step four ever again if you're living in 10 and 11

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because you do an inventory every single night." And he said, "So it's page 84 to 88. It's the

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prayer, third step prayer on 63. It's the seventh step prayer on 76. And in the 12 and 12, it's the

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prayer of 99." And he says, "I've been doing that every single day for the last 35 years and I've

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been doing it myself now. I did it constantly for five years and now that information is stuck in my

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head. And I realize and know what I'm supposed to do and what I'm supposed to do and how I'm to do

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it. I hear people all the time saying in Alcoholics Anonymous, I've been here for five years and I

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don't know what to do. Something's sneaking back and I don't know what to think and I don't know

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where to go. Well, all I can say is they're not reading their book. Talk to somebody. Call me.

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We'll go through the book together. You don't have to do it alone. I've read this book so many times

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with so many different men and a few women and it's my pleasure and honor to give this away and

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show them a new and better way of life that was given to me. It's a very humbling experience for

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me and when I find I don't have very much more to say, like right now, it's God tapping me on

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the shoulder saying, "You're done," and sit down. So thank you very much, True Quality, for letting

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me. That never gets old. Thank you for asking me to be here tonight and thank you so much and don't

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forget your ties.