Abraham's Prayer, Spiritual Insight, and a Houdini Halloween Tale
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Abraham's Prayer, Spiritual Insight, and a Houdini Halloween Tale

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Abraham opens with a heartfelt prayer, sharing his view of alcoholism as a spiritual condition and his journey as a cross‑addicted person. He then recounts a vivid childhood memory of obsessing over Houdini and attempting a daring escape at a 1960s Halloween party, illustrating how early obsessions can echo later struggles. The blend of spirituality and personal storytelling offers encouragement for anyone in recovery.

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- Thanks Billy, and I'll call on Jay.

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It's great to see you all tonight.

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I appreciate you asking me, Abraham,

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to come and participate in my sobriety

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and be part of this group for a night.

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It's an honor for me to walk the path of AA

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with other people in my community.

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Is this an all-day meeting or an alcoholics,

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alcoholics anonymous?

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Okay, well, I qualify for that too,

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but I also, I mean, I'm a cross addicted person.

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I won't talk about those issues tonight

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'cause this is an alcoholics anonymous meeting,

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but I definitely qualify as somebody who is powerless

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over the effect of alcohol on me physically

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and especially spiritually.

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So if you don't mind, I'm gonna just take a minute

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and invite God into the room and the way that I do it.

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And that's with by saying, I'm listening,

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I'm listening to that still small voice so dear.

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I'm listening, I'm listening to my heart

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and my soul, my ear.

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In this quiet time of prayer,

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we have the opportunity to relax

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and open up our hearts and our minds

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to a greater awareness of God.

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And as we pause and listen to the still small voice

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of spirit within, we experience peace

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and the assurance that our lives are unfolding

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in wonderful ways.

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So with hearts and minds now attuned to God,

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we join together in praying one with you dear God,

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I am united with all creation.

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In this sacred moment of prayer,

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I open up my heart in faith to you

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and to your infinite wisdom.

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When I think of peace, I feel your peaceful presence

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within me and outside of me.

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And once again, I thank you for your abundance of feeling

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and the silent unity of this group.

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So I pray all the time, sometimes hourly,

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definitely at least twice a day.

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I hit my knees when I pray, not to get God's attention,

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but to get my attention because I'm a kind of person

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who drifts and I've always been a drifter in my imagination

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and in my actions for the longest time.

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I wander, I drift and I drift off.

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Now, some of that is good.

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Some of that's been to the good.

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I have traveled in my heart.

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I've traveled in encountering other human beings,

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but I was an addict and an alcoholic

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long before I ever took a drink because I've come to learn

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in my 11 good years in this program,

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I've come to learn that alcoholism is a state,

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a spiritual state and a state of being that happens to you.

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And the drinking is like, what do you call it, a symptom.

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So my way of fixing myself from this drift

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of spiritual emptiness and fear and confusion and anger,

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my way of fixing myself was to take a drink.

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But before I took a drink,

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I let my mind take me to strange places.

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And you know, and like, again, at first,

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you know, there's a certain charm to our fantasy life.

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You know, there can be something charming

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about seeing the world in a kind of a strange way,

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but do you guys know who the great Houdini was, right?

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So when I was a kid in the early 1960s,

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there was, you know, I started reading books

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and it was this book on the life of the great Houdini.

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And you know, it was a paperback book.

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It costs like 25 cents and I read it

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and I read it with like wonder.

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It wasn't just that he was a magician.

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It was that he was an escape artist.

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And that fascinated me.

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I thought, this is fascinating.

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So I read the book and then I finished it

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and then I read it all over again.

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And I became obsessed with the great Houdini.

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And then one Halloween, and I was reminded of this

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'cause you know, we just had Halloween

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and I was just taking my grandkids out

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for, you know, to go trick or treating.

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And they asked me like a little bit about,

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you know, my older grandchild.

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She asked me a little bit about what was, you know,

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Halloween like for me when I was a kid.

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And I didn't want to tell her

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because this is what I remember most.

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On a Halloween party, the first boy-girl party,

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you know, this is like 1966, all right?

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So I'm 11 years old, 11 years old.

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So this is like first boy-girl party.

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It was a Halloween party at Patty Powderly's house.

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And I was in love with Patty Powderly.

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She was my friend down the street.

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She was my, she was the most beautiful, wonderful friend.

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Her father was a cop, but he was a nice cop.

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And they had like seven kids.

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And I wanted to be in her family.

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Her mother was super nice.

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I loved Patty.

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Her brother Chris was my brother's best friend.

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We were always over there.

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Anyway, Patty's having this Halloween party

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and it was my first boy-girl party.

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And I wanted to go as, well,

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everybody was going as like a fireman, a cowboy.

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All my friends were like dressed up like superheroes.

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So I walked into the party.

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I'd gotten a rope from our garage.

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And I walked into the party and I announced,

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I said, I just came in like a white shirt and black pants.

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And I said, I walked in the party and I just said,

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I held up the rope.

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And I said, I am the great Houdini.

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And I challenged anyone to tie me up

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and I will escape at this party.

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Do your worst.

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And like everybody was like.

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And my friends were like, they hogtied.

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Hands in front, but I mean, they were like,

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my friends were like boy scouts, right?

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So they did like, they hogtied me.

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I was, and then I spent the entire party on the floor,

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thrashing, trying to get out of my bonds.

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People were walking over me, stepping on my shoulder,

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shrinking punch, dancing to the twist.

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Everybody just was like walking over me

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and I was sweating bullets trying to get out of this thing.

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'Cause I had convinced myself

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that because I read the book twice of the great Houdini,

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that I would know how to get out of my books.

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You see what I'm trying to say here about,

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before I ever took a drink,

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I had a natural tendency to get an obsession

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and lock myself onto this obsession

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and believe it to the extent that I would do something.

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I mean, it was like at the end of the party,

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like everybody left and I'm still in there and tied up.

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Patty Powderly comes over and she go like,

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do you want me to get my father?

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I said, yes.

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And Officer Powderly came downstairs

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'cause they were just upstairs, Mr. and Mrs. Powderly.

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Officer Powderly came downstairs

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and he was like, oh Danny, Danny Stone, Danny Stone,

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what are we gonna do with you?

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Should I get scissors?

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And like, you know, he was like such a,

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like, yeah, he's like a good guy, you know?

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And he was like, like the pity.

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He was like, what, what, I mean, you're like a nice kid,

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but Danny, what's wrong?

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Hey, cut me loose.

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Everything went back to normal.

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Nothing was changed, but something had shifted.

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Something had shifted inside me.

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I brought it, what was in there.

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I, you know, I don't have to,

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I'm not gonna psychoanalyze myself here.

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I don't know what made me that way.

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Any more than I can tell you what made me become

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a flipped out alcohol,

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but this person has a tendency to obsess.

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And that was the beginning for me

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of starting to see myself, my interior world

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in relation to the world outside

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as something different that I needed to vent.

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Then there were other experiences.

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I'm gonna skip ahead.

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I'm gonna go to the end of the story

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because I just had an interesting experience today

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before I came here.

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It relates to my grandkids who I,

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I look after my grandkids quite a bit

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'cause I'm very lucky.

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My, I mean, my kids are great parents.

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My daughter's a fantastic parent and so is her husband,

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but they work a lot.

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They're, you know, they're very busy and they work a lot

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and I'm lucky and honored enough that they know

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that they want me to look after my grandkids.

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And I, I mean, you know, but both my grandkids,

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okay, so my granddaughter is, she's really sick.

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She's got like some kind of a virus

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and she's like back and forth going to diarrhea,

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throwing up and everything like that.

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She's, oh, shoot, we were playing and, you know, relaxing,

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watching TV, playing a game.

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My grandson, she's five.

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My grandson's a year and eight months.

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And so like my granddaughter starts to,

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we're playing at the other end of the apartment.

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My granddaughter goes, "Oh, oh, oh God, I have to throw up."

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And she starts to run

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and she doesn't make it to the bathroom.

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So she starts hurling on the floor before the bathroom.

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My grandson, her brother, not yet two, chasing after her.

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A panic, I don't know what he thinks is gonna help

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or whatever, he starts chasing after her.

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She throws up copious amounts of puke on the floor.

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He, she, and then she starts crying, puking, crying.

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He's running to help.

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He slips, he's barefoot.

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He falls and slips, ass over tea kettle, slam, down,

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falls on his head, screaming, crying.

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You know, he's like, he just, he slammed his head

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in the, he's got puke all over him.

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The granddaughter's puking and crying from the puking.

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And it's just me taking care of them.

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And you know what?

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It was, I'm really skipping ahead to my recovery now

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because I took care of, I took care of everything.

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I, first of all, the first thing I did

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was get the little one.

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I got him in my arm, in my right arm,

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patting him on the back.

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I helped Hazel, my granddaughter, to get to finish up

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if she still had more puke to the bathroom.

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And I just took care of both of them one at a time

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and cleaned up the puke, cleaned it off of her,

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cleaned it off of him, cleaned it off of me.

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And everybody stopped crying.

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And it was very relaxing in the aftermath of this disaster.

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And my sobriety, I could not have had that moment,

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that intense peace.

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I had this intense sense of well-being, Abraham,

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from having just been sober to address this thing

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because this was so important.

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It was of monumentally trivial but important,

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monumental importance that it just be taken care of

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simply with regard to being of service to somebody,

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somebody that I care enormously about

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who can't really do anything for themselves.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what I'm saying here.

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And I know I'm jumping all over the place time-wise,

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but I think you guys, I think you're getting the point

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in terms of like my life, you know, I reflect a lot.

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You know, I just turned 70 and I reflect a lot

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on the back and forthness of time since I become sober

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and the difference in my being able to be present

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and be a force for good, even if it's something small

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or seemingly unimportant, I have a duty and a usefulness.

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And I don't know, I kind of went to the end of the story

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for a second or third in it, but I just wanted to say that

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because, you know, instead of, you know, I made a lot of,

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I did a lot of boneheaded things.

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It took me 40 years to get 11.

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You guys know what that means, right?

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You know, I started going to meetings, you know,

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when I was young and I went in and went out,

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went in, went out, went in in front of my face,

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went out and got in trouble, came back in, messed up again.

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So, you know, I really didn't come in both feet

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till I was 59 years old.

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I mean, I'm just being honest, you know, that's, you know,

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some people might say to themselves,

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oh, it's a little late in the day for you, Danny boy,

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you know, and you know what?

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And some guys did say that to me, you know,

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and I don't think they meant it in a bad way,

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but I think, you know, there were people who were saying

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to me, you know, like, you know, when Iris was talking,

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you know, and I was hearing, you know,

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what I heard in your story was a real vulnerability,

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but also real hope, you know, because, you know,

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you got another job and you're, you know, you're back.

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And I, you know, I salute you for being back.

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And, and I really, I really got a lot out of your share.

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And, you know, this Alcoholics Anonymous thing,

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it's really been, it's been really fantastic for me,

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just because of what I just told you guys,

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that it's, I've been really, really come to realize

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that those, you know, big grandiose things that, you know,

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were always eluding me, the brass ring, or, you know,

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being not, you know, that feeling that you,

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I don't know if you guys relate to this,

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but there's this feeling you get of not being enough.

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So it makes you be somebody who chases something

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all the time, or you're being chased, or you're being chased.

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So that's, you know, I mean, you know, I can, I can,

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I can tell you gory details, but really what it amounts to,

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in a nutshell, is that I'm a person who acts like

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he's chasing something or is being chased by something

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when I'm high, and I was high almost all the time,

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and, but, and, but, and, in recovery,

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and I like to say recovery because it's active.

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I like recovery because it's kind of a verb for me,

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and I like verbs, I like solutions, I like actions,

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you know, 'cause if you lead me to my own devices,

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I'll think myself into a corner,

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and then act like a trapped animal and say it was your fault,

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sound familiar, you know, I mean,

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these are the kind of habits,

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and they're, and these are, they're habits, right?

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I mean, these things that we do when we dream are habits,

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and the things that I do when I don't dream

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are habits that I call practices, practices.

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I'm in rehearsal for being a human being again,

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and I love rehearsing, I love practice.

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I have all kinds of spiritual practices that I do.

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I'm a practice person.

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I'm a practice, I don't want to say fanatic

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because that has a implication

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of some of this obsessive stuff,

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and I'm trying to relax about it, you know,

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because I want to be trying to learn how to relax here,

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but I also, you know, I have a lot of energy,

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and a lot of, you know, mental energy,

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so I'm trying to use it in a way

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that I don't turn it against myself or against you.

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You know, so these practices that I do, I love to read,

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I love to read spiritual stuff.

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I love to talk spiritual shit with other people.

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I love to rap with other alkies.

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I love the people that are in the program.

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I think that Alcoholics Anonymous,

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I think the whole world should be in Alcoholics Anonymous,

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or some 12-step program.

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I think that we learn how to be honorable

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and listen and connect,

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all those things that make you not sick.

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So let's just talk about, I don't know,

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how am I doing on time, anybody?

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- 15 minutes. - 15, thank you.

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So this is how bad it can get, and this is how the steps,

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this is what, you know, this is my fun reading.

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This is my idea of fun.

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I love this, I really do love the 12 and 12.

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I like the big book too.

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Some great literature, great stories.

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But the 12 and 12 gets me talking to myself

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and talking to others.

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I love sponsoring people, sponsoring people.

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It's awesome, it's awesome, so helpful for me.

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So it's the selfless act of selfishness.

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I've just, there's so much release for me and surrender.

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Surrender is my favorite word.

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I surrender to win all the time.

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I'm praying for me again, which is something,

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and I'm not a big God guy.

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I'm not a big God guy, so it might seem paradoxical

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for me to talk about a God, to tell you so much

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about praying and stuff like that.

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But I'm almost, I almost qualify for the "We Agnostics"

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section of the book, to be perfectly frank.

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And yet, and yet, I pray like a person who it matters

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that I pray, kind of like my survival depends on it.

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So like I say, I hit the knee, I hit my knees,

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not to get the Lord's attention, but to get my attention.

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Because my attention, where I place my attention

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is a matter of life and death for me.

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I went to the doctor when I was in my 30s.

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I had a hacking cough that I couldn't,

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that just went on for like three months.

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And I put out a cigarette, my cigarette,

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and I went into the doctor's office.

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And I said to him, you know, what's up, what is this here?

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He listened to me, my chest.

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He says, okay, breathe into this tube here.

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I said, ah, that looks just like my bong.

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And he said, that's not funny, right?

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Dr. Rosamond, right?

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Sky, right?

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He said, that's not funny.

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Breathe into it.

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I was 35 at the time, 35 years old, 35!

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Sky breathed into the thing that the object of the action

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is you breathe into it and you try to get this ball

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that's on the water, try to get it with your air.

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You get it to come up.

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And you know, somebody who has good lungs,

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they can make the ball go like halfway,

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three quarters of the way up into the bong like looking too.

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And I'm doing my breathing and I go into my breathing.

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The ball goes up like this and he looks at me.

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He goes, try again.

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Like, oh, I'm gonna take a breath.

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And this time the ball went less far, less far than this.

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Like it barely went out of the hole.

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And Dr. Rosamond, he says, I'm gonna save your life.

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He says, have you ever heard the word emphysema?

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And I said, yeah, for other people.

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He said, in three years,

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you're not gonna be able to catch a breath.

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I'll give you three years tops

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if you keep going the way you're going.

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If you quit smoking today, today!

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And he said it to me like that.

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I'm not exaggerating.

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This guy was caring enough and no bullshit enough

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to look me in the eye and say to me, if you quit today,

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then maybe you won't come back here in three years

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in the emergency room.

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I said, is that gonna fix me?

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Is that gonna fix me then?

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Will I be better?

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He said, you can't turn back the clock.

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Those six words affected me so deeply.

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And quitting smoking was the beginning for me

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of mastering my other habits.

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But it was the hardest thing in the world for me.

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It was very confrontive.

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I was like a white knuckle drunk

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without a program to live with, for my wife,

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and not a pleasant person to work with,

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and a fireable personality, an aggressive, confrontive,

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know-it-all, authority, rebellious person.

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And that was part of my withdrawal from nicotine.

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I come from a long line of two-pack-a-day smokers.

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My grandfather was a New York City cab driver

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and a painter, he was an artist at night,

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but he drove a cab six days a week.

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And when he finally made enough money

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and smoked two packs of Paul Malls,

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and when he finally made enough money

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to buy his medallion in 1972, when he was 71 years old,

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he bought his medallion, which means he owned his cab,

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which means that he could work six days a week

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and keep his money and not pay the man.

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So Grandpa Ben worked six days a week, 14 hours a day,

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raked in the money, which in those days was,

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he must have made $500 a week

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for the first time in his life.

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And he was ecstatic.

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And then he kept smoking and he had a massive coronary

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in the men's room of a gas station on Sutphin Boulevard

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in Queens and died in a gas station men's room.

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And this guy would have been,

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he had the constitution otherwise of a horse.

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He would have probably lived to have been 90 or could have,

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or maybe he just would have lived five more years

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and been able to breathe.

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Anyway, this is all to say this stuff runs in families.

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Nicotine is a habit too, and it's corrosive,

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but Dr. Roseman set me straight.

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I quit smoking.

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I got over my, I white knuckled my way through

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without a program, my recovery from cigarettes.

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And then I took up drinking.

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So I don't have to tell you what happens.

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I mean, I don't have to tell you how far down we can go.

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You've got your horror stories.

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I have mine.

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What it amounts to and why I treasure the program so much,

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what it amounts to is a loss of,

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what's the expression in the book?

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When you lose your will to live.

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It's a, help me out here, it's that phrase,

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that famous phrase about demoralization.

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You know that when you're thoroughly demoralized,

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emotionally distraught, okay, now I'm putting

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in my own words, but again, you know what I'm talking about.

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What's your name?

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- Bruce.

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- Bruce, thank you.

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Pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization.

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Let's have a nice laugh.

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I mean, 'cause all you can do is laugh about it, right?

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Really, I mean, let's laugh,

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'cause we have a little distance from it, you know?

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But it's not funny when it's going on.

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And that's what brings us here.

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And the surrender, the surrender that's required for me

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is, was the key thing.

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And the surrender, the praying that I do,

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the meetings that I go to, the dudes that I sponsor,

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helping to take care of my grandkids,

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being a friendly and supportive presence for my wife,

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being a good dude at work,

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being somebody that can take orders,

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or have on my own ideas,

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depending on what's appropriate to the situation.

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Hey, that's some grownup shit right there, right?

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That's not that baby shit that I do.

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It's not that baby puke that I come up with

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when I'm in my immaturity, when I'm in my cups.

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I mean, let's face it.

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Who wants to be with somebody?

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Who wants to be around somebody that can't listen?

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I wanna be the guy that people enjoy.

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I saw this wonderful thing.

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You guys like dogs, right?

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Right, I mean, you gotta love dogs.

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And being an alcoholic, a dog is like,

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wow, they're like the teacher, right?

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I mean, the dog's like your teacher,

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because let's face it, what do they know?

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What don't they know that I couldn't learn from?

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I mean, they're in the moment.

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They're attentive to your feelings,

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but they're about their feelings too.

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And anyway, so I was watching this thing,

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Inside the Mind of a Dog.

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It's like a special, so.

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Wonderful, so great.

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And this guy who's like the head vet,

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the veterinarian, like a research scientist,

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but he's not like an egghead kind of a guy.

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He's like a really, he's like a really Hamish dude,

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you know, but he loves, but he said, you know,

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remember, you guys remember Darwin saying

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survival of the fittest?

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They're like, shit, fucking shit.

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I hate that, survival of the fittest.

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That's what basically the dog scientist said.

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He said, how about this?

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Dogs have survived because they learned

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survival of the friendliness.

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They literally, and it's literally biologically true

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because the wolves and the bears

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were the only ones of all of the animals

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that survived the million years purging

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and changing of the climate and environment.

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The wolves survived and the wolves evolved into dogs

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from being in a pack and then from wanting

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to get near the people.

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So they lost, they lost their feral,

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opportunistic aggression and they said,

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let me survive by being friendly.

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I take this so much to heart and it helps me to, again,

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to deal with my own animalistic, feral nature

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and realize how much more is in it for,

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this in it, is in life for me when I'm a open hearted,

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caring and unselfish dog of a person.

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My life has expanded, grown, deepened

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as my heart has softened and all this is related to,

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for me, stopping using alcohol and substances.

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Physical sobriety, the program of Alcoholics Anonymous,

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the community, our relationship to a god of my understanding.

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That's the god of my understanding

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and that god of my understanding could be this group.

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For me to take this to heart, this is my work.

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This is my life work.

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I have other jobs that I do and sometimes I'm unemployed

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but when I'm unemployed, this is my job.

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I have a job right now, this is my other job.

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I love my work, I live for this work.

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I do it 100 different ways and like I said earlier,

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I practice 100 different ways of being spiritually engaged.

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I make mistakes, I revert to my wolf.

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There is a wolf inside me still as there is also a dog

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but as the Ojibwe Indian says, thank you, I see that.

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The Ojibwe says, the Ojibwe grandfather

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is talking to the grandson and he says to the grandson,

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he says, "There are two wolves in me,

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"the wolf that wants to tear, fight, win everything

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"and then there's the other wolf,

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"the wolf that wants to love and be friendly

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"and be a part of you."

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And they go to war with each other, grandson.

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And the grandson says, "Grandfather, which wolf will win?"

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And the grandfather says, "The one I feed."

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I learned to feed the friendly wolf in Alcoholics Anonymous.

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I have learned it from day one when I walked into a meeting

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and another man extended his hand to me and said,

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"Sit next to me, you seem like you're new.

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"You also seem like you're in trouble, sit next to me."

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That has been the way people have treated me

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in Alcoholics Anonymous from day one

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and that's the way I treat other people too.

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And then I try to be that way out in the world

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as much as I can.

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It's really an honor to be one among you

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and it's a pleasure for me to be here with you tonight.

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Thanks for letting me share.

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- Yeah, thanks a lot.

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Really like that prayer.