Finding Connection Through AA: A Journey of Recovery
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Finding Connection Through AA: A Journey of Recovery

Episode description

Wil shares his experiences navigating a life of privilege and ultimately finding solace in Alcoholics Anonymous. He reflects on family dynamics, relapse, and the importance of fellowship and sponsorship in maintaining sobriety, particularly after a period of wandering and prioritizing other pursuits.

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Meaning, like, you have a number in mind, they gave you a number in mind.

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Meeting. What kind of question is that?

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What are you trying to Venmo?

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Hi, Wil Alcoholic.

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I'm trying to Venmo the meaning, modern technology.

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It's funny, like, you know, I immediately walked in the room

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and I just, I've been here.

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I know I've been here.

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I don't know when I've been here.

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I don't know why I was here, but I just know I've been here.

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It just looks familiar.

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Or it's just like every AA room you've been into,

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all of a sudden you're just like,

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yeah, this feels about right.

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That feels where I am, you know?

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My sobriety date's February 9th, 2009.

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So thank you very much for having me here.

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I was supposed to be here a couple months ago,

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but I couldn't make it because of a last minute work thing.

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So I brought you Ryan Foley.

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So if you were here when you saw Ryan Foley speak,

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just imagine that every morning at eight in the morning

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when he gives you a call.

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Oh wow, so much, so much right now, so much.

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But a dear friend of mine,

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thank you for coming out and hanging out with me.

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And

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doing the deal.

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Like him, I found it necessary to kind of wander away

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for a while because my life,

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it got big and beautiful and very, very busy.

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And I thought other things were more important.

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It's okay.

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I really filled up the bank account and I'm okay.

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And I'll just kind of fill in where I can with meetings.

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And I found myself in clubhouses every once in a while

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and it would go fairly regularly.

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And there's nothing wrong with clubhouses,

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but the meetings I ended up stumbling into,

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I'd be the guy with the most amount of time.

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And I'm like, oh, I don't need to be that guy.

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You know, I don't need to be, I need some people.

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I need some people above me.

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So that way they can kind of keep me in line a little bit

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because I will buy into my own nonsense very quickly.

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You know, the guy who closes out the meeting,

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they call on as the spiritual guidance.

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I'm like, no, no, I don't need to be here.

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I, maybe I need to be here right now,

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but I don't need to be here for too long.

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But that's very, very scary.

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So thank you for having me.

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It's always a pleasure to be here.

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I totally forgot it was Saturday night.

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You know, what is she supposed to do on a Saturday night?

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I'm like, oh gosh, it's Saturday.

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Holy cow.

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Okay.

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Good place to be right now.

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It's a wonderful place to be.

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I don't understand the life that I'm leaving right now.

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It is a life that has been given to me.

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No, it was a life that has been forced upon me

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against my will and thank God for that

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because it is way better

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than what I would have planned for myself.

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I am the youngest of four.

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I have three older sisters.

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They're all blonde hair and blue eyed.

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I am neither of those things in case you were wondering.

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I used to have very, very long hair, but that's what happens.

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I got more gray here now, you know,

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and my two oldest sisters are twins.

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They're eight years older than I am.

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And that's significant because when they're 16, I'm eight.

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And the last thing like 16 year old girls want to do

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is hang out with their eight year old brother, you know?

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So it was a big family, a family of six, lonely, not lonely,

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full house, lots of people.

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But there's, I mean, the middle sister

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was four years older than me.

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A long four, almost five years older than me.

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So I'm always just kind of bringing up the rear.

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You know, it was always the joke

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that I was the milkman's baby.

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Very good looking milkman, by the way.

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Thank you very much.

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I'm going to compliment myself on that one.

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But my father is, he's retired now,

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but he's a retired orthopedic surgeon.

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Did very, very well for himself.

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Grew up to marry my mom who was a Miss Teen USA.

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And they're both very Midwestern, St. Louis,

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very kind, generous, warm.

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I am the exact opposite of all of that.

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They had no idea what to do with me.

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Just kind of love me because I was too dumb to love myself.

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And that's what you don't really necessarily

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want to do with an alcoholic because they will just let me run,

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you know, because it'll change.

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It'll be OK because I'm the only alcoholic in my family.

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My mom's side has some drinkers, but you know, that's their journey.

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So my father being who he is was fairly successful.

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I grew up in 5,000 square feet, spent my summers in Maui, spent, you know,

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my winters in Vail and Banff and Windsor and doing all the fun things.

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Like I said, very generous, very humble man.

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But I became quite accustomed to a lifestyle that I did not earn.

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And I wanted to maintain that as much as possible because it was lovely.

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I am a product of the private Catholic school institution.

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Went to private school my entire life.

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And that was crippling, to say the least, because everybody was like me.

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So when I'm 18 and I go to college,

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I have no experience with other people, for lack of a better word.

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Like I was just with water the entire time.

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There was no ups or downs, you know?

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And even with the water that I was swimming in,

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a lot of things that I was doing in my life,

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people would look at me like, you're doing what now?

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Like I've never heard of these things, you know?

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So it's just very strange.

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It's hard for me to get my bearings.

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I grew in a household of love.

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I really did Christmases and family vacations.

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And it was just wonderful.

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It really was just wonderful.

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And I took advantage of that every second that I could,

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because I'm an asshole.

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Excuse the language.

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Because I'm an alcoholic.

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I am always thinking about me.

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And if I'm not thinking about me,

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I'm thinking about how wonderful I am

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that I'm not thinking about me.

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That is just my MO and that's how I get down.

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I remember I was in junior high

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and I was flipping through the TV and got to channel 10,

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which was MTV and all of us are old enough to remember MTV.

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So that's good.

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But saw Slash from Guns N' Roses,

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with the top hat, the cigarette, the hair,

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the welcome to the jungle video.

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And I went, that is the coolest guy I have ever seen in my life.

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And all I wanted to do with myself

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was play loud rock and roll, drink as much as I possibly

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could, or just be degenerate generally,

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and sleep with as many women as I possibly could.

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And mission accomplished.

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That was my goal in life.

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And that was my focus on many, many things.

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But I'm 18.

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I'm going up to college.

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I'm following her because it was her

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and we're going to stay together forever

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and totally incapable of being in a relationship

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or being a human being for that matter.

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And I always felt a little strange everywhere I went.

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I always just kind of felt like I was off,

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a little off center.

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And I went to Fresno State and I had hair down to here.

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So I'm walking around and they're going,

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who's the freak, you know?

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So that's really where I discovered alcohol.

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I joined the Greek system and there's nothing wrong

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with the Greek system, but we drink.

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And that's where I really discovered alcohol.

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In high school, maybe I got loaded four or five times

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in duration of junior high and high school

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because that's what bad kids did.

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But I discovered alcohol in college and I went,

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well, this is nice.

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And it didn't like, you know, you're like,

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oh, it gave me confidence, it gave me this.

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It just, it didn't really do any of that for me.

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It just made me stop caring that I was different.

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I just like, I just embraced it.

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And I just went harder into the paint with it.

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You know, I really went, I just really went into it

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and it just made me feel comfortable when I was like,

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this is good, I can live this way for quite a long time.

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Fast forward a little bit.

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I don't know, I was seven or eight years sober

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and I had some wisdom teeth pulled out, right?

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So they put me under, popped those teeth out.

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So I'm coming to, and I'm looking up

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and there's a beach scene and you see the waves,

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like it was stationary, but since the drugs

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were getting out of my system, like I was coming out,

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the waves were going, the clouds were going.

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And I was like, well, this is nice, I can do this.

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This is lovely, I could sit here for a while.

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But you know, in college, that's just the way it was.

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That's how I ran.

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I just drank as much as humanly possible.

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I came back down here because I was following her again

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because I didn't learn my lesson the first time,

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slow learner.

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And like I said, I just dove into the music scene

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and just playing music and I got the business card job.

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I was a segment or associate producer for Ryan Seacrest

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when he was on the radio.

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So I had the business card job

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and sometimes people would be like,

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you're Will, I heard you on the radio,

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which is really jarring.

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Now, because I already had that inadequacy problem

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where I just don't feel like I belong anywhere

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and I don't belong doing what I'm doing.

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But now you're talking to me a little differently.

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So now why are you talking to me, right?

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Are you talking to me because you're actually

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really interested in me or are you talking to me

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because you kind of want to wiggle your way in somewhere?

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You know, so it was just very, very strange.

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And I just, we had a difference of opinions at that job.

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I wanted to stay and they wanted me to leave.

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So they gave me my walking papers,

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but I was sabotaging myself

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because I really wasn't comfortable there.

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And I just felt like an imposter.

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Like I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Why am I here?

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This is crazy.

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So I really kind of self-sabotage myself.

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And I knew I'm like, this is not where I want to be.

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Probably was where I should have been.

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I was just too scared to take it seriously

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because I'm living at home the entire time

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while this is going on because I'm completely inadequate.

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And like I said, I became accustomed to quite a lifestyle

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and I'm allowed to stay here.

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As long as I can and do what I want.

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Well, I'm going to stay here as long as I can

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and do what I want.

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So I did.

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So after that awesome radio gig, I said,

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well, what the hell am I going to do with myself?

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Well, all I really knew were bartenders.

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So I got a bartending gig and that is fantastic.

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Fantastic, right?

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Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I'm in the bars and I'm working.

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We're not supposed to drink on the job.

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Not supposed to do a lot of things on the job,

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but we did a lot of things on the job.

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And I'm a pure alcoholic.

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There's been nothing in my nose or nothing in my mouth.

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Nothing in my nose or nothing in my veins.

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If you're an alcoholic, I love Jägermeister and Heineken.

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Love Jägermeister and Heineken.

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And the way we drink, everybody always drinks Jäger and Red Bull.

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And I'm like, why, why that seems silly?

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Just drink the Jäger, you know?

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And in the wells, that's where the ice is.

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We keep bottles of Jäger.

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And there's times where we're going through a bottle a night.

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Just me and another guy.

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And we're just doing bam, bam, bam, you know?

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And a bartending gig is a great gig for an alcoholic

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because you get cash and you get to drink on the job.

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You're not supposed to, but your big party nights,

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I'm already in the bars.

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And you know, like I said, I'm in a band,

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I'm playing rock and roll and the ladies are lovely.

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I loved all my girlfriends.

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I cheated on every single one of them.

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I'm the type of guy, this is me.

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I'm the type of guy, I'm in a relationship with somebody.

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I meet somebody at the bar.

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We do whatever we have to do in the back of my truck.

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And then I go home and kiss her on the mouth.

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That's the type of guy that I am, right?

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I'm the type of guy who has a birthday party,

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invites three or four women that I'm sleeping with

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at the same time.

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They don't know this just to see what happens.

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Cause I got to thin out the herd.

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Like that's how I roll.

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That's how I get down.

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I will use you quickly until I am done.

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And then I will never talk to you again.

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I am gone.

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That's how I do things.

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So bartending gigs are great.

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Met a girl who likes to drink just as much as I do.

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More, more of the, now I had an excuse to hammer.

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Let's go, let's go.

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And I found a girl at the, at the, at my job,

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at the bar who wanted to be a lawyer.

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And I like lawyers because they make lots of money.

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And I've become quite accustomed to a lifestyle.

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I am 27 still living at home with my parents,

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not paying rent, not paying bills,

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doing whatever the hell I want.

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Just doing whatever I want.

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Once again, they've never seen anybody like me.

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Don't know what to do with me.

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You know, God bless them.

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I wouldn't say naive, just, you know,

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God and your mother will just love you forever, won't they?

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But, um, I found this woman.

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This woman who was going to be a lawyer.

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She was moving down to Orange County

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and I got tired of this town anyway.

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So I was going to, I went down there and moved in with her.

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And after eight months she went, you are a wreck.

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You are a mess.

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She didn't know.

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She's like, you're a mess.

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She came home and said, what are you planning on doing?

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Living off me for the rest of your life?

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And my first thought was, shit, who told you?

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Cause that was exactly my plan.

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And I just looked at her and I said,

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I thought I had more time.

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I don't know what that means to this day.

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You know, I was just going to ride for a couple years

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until she got through law school

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and then I was going to get my act together.

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Um, I picked up a couple of DUIs.

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Well, I picked up one DUI during that time,

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not in Orange County, but I picked up one DUI and you know,

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I'd go to the Valley Club and loaded

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because I'm still going to AA meeting.

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It's just dumb, you know?

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And, and, uh, I think that woman a week before Christmas,

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she came home to an empty apartment.

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I just took everything and left.

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She was in school and I just called up everybody.

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I said, I need you down here.

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And we just load up and took off.

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I still remember the voicemail, but now my heart was broken.

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So now I had an excuse.

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I ran home to mom and dad because I have zero coping mechanisms.

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I have no idea how to conduct myself.

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I had to do everything loaded.

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I had to do everything loaded.

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Just wake up and go.

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I had to, I couldn't get my haircut when I had hair.

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How dare you, sir?

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But I couldn't do anything.

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So I ran home to mom and dad and I had an excuse, you know,

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because she broke my heart, fell into a bottle.

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Didn't really leave the bottle, but you know,

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now I had something that everybody can get behind, you know?

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So I got myself another bartending gig because I really,

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I was unemployed.

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I have really no marketable skills, you know, which is guitar.

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Give me a CEO position.

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So you know, bartending gig and I was out in Simi Valley and I was drinking as usual

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and I was going home and all of a sudden the lights flash.

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And they're really mean out there in Ventura County.

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Don't get pulled over in Ventura County, you know?

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And when I first started going to AA meetings at my first DUI, there was a woman who stood

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up there and said, Hey, if you're here for your first DUI, you might've just made a mistake.

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But if you're here for your second DUI, you might have just made a mistake.

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If you're here for your second DUI, you might want to look at it.

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Now what I heard was I'm okay until I get my second DUI.

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That's what I heard because I just need an inch and I'm going to run with that bad boy.

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So you know, I take you to the drunk tank and all these things and I finally get home

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the next day and I call my sisters who I have a fragmented relationship with at that time.

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But I called my sisters and like, I think I got a problem.

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They're like, no kidding.

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We've been waiting for this phone call forever.

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No kidding.

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All right.

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Well, I went to one of those bougie rehabs because I couldn't do the 90 and 90.

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I kind of needed to be, mostly I wanted to run away from all the consequences that I

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gave up on, you know, thrusting upon me.

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So I went to one of those bougie rehabs, a little 90 day bougie rehabs that they charge

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your insurance with celebrities and we're going to be on people magazine as sober friends

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and you know, they, they check you in and uh, you know, you wake up, they wake you up

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at six in the morning to check your pulse and check your every, all these vitals on

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you.

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And they're like, we're just making sure you're okay.

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I'm like, I was sleeping.

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I was okay.

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Why are you waking me up?

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Leave me alone.

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It's six in the morning.

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I didn't know they made a six in the morning anymore.

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I get, apparently I missed that memo, you know?

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And um, after about a week there, Mr. Del Piso, it seems to us, you don't want to make

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your bed.

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I'm like, that seems to be correct.

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You should probably get on top of that for as much money as that I'm not paying to be

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here.

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You should make my bed for me, you know, but with all the bravado and all the noise, I

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don't know if anybody relates this, but when somebody kind of gets on you, you turn up

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the volume a little bit, push everybody away.

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It's a lot easier that way.

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But I knew, I knew I looked myself in the mirror and I went, what the hell, what the

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hell?

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Like I couldn't, I couldn't ignore it anymore.

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It was really easy for me to ignore the next day.

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A lot of my benders and a lot of the situations I got myself into and uh, her, um, what was

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I thinking?

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For whatever reason, I looked in the mirror and it hurt so bad and I went, I don't care

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what they asked me to do.

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I'm going to do whatever they tell me to do.

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I can't do this anymore.

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I just flat cannot do this anymore.

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And um, the thing with rehab is the more noise you make, the more everybody descends upon

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you because they want to help you.

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So I went, okay, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut now and just do everything that

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they tell me to do.

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So I did my 90.

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I did my, you know, living and all that other stuff and I came home once again to mom and

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dad cause I literally have zero money, but at least I'm sober now, you know, 90 days

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sober.

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And I found the USR men's stag, which is my home group on Thursday nights and they are

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not nice.

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They just pull over there.

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They poke you in the chest.

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Um, why are they treating me like, how is everybody treating me like garbage?

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Cause you're acting like garbage and they're treating you exactly the way you should be

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treated.

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Oh, Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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But it was where I found Alcoholics Anonymous where men were actually doing the deal, right?

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It wasn't just guys in the podium just talking and just looking good in front of everybody.

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It was guys actually like, no, no, I have a family and I treat my family correct and

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I have parents.

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And I call them and I love them, you know, and I have a God of my own understanding and

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I treat my family well and I have a job that I do well at.

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Like they were walking the walk.

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They weren't living in meetings.

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They were living life.

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And I went, Oh, Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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Let's, let's see what's going on here.

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And I just did exactly what they told me to do.

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I went up to a gentleman and I said, Hey, will you be my sponsor?

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Um, and he said yes.

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And I went, Oh no, don't say yes, don't say yes, please.

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And he was very mean to me.

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I wasn't suggested anything.

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I was told what to do.

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Nobody suggested anything to me.

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I don't care.

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Drink and die.

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Click.

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You know what I mean?

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And here's the problem.

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It's not, death is not the problem.

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That's thank God.

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Cause all the problems go away.

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The problem is you don't die and you're a piece of garbage for the rest of your life.

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Oh, Oh no.

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That's not a good look.

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I don't feel that doesn't feel right.

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So I just did what the men told me to do.

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And the first year sucked out loud sucked next year's.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Oh, third year.

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I'm on my own.

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I'm in an apartment.

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I'm doing my.

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Oh, okay.

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You know, you start getting those things, you know, and I just did what the men told me

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to do.

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And I did the steps and I read the book and I went to meetings.

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I tried to be a service of where I can.

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I have found that I don't need to be in a leadership position because I take myself

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entirely too seriously.

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Don't need to be that guy, you know, but I just did what the men told me to do because

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they had what I wanted.

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Right?

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Not everybody has what I want, but I found the men who I'm like, Oh, I want this.

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I want this.

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I want the men who I'm like, Oh, I want to be like you or even close relation to you.

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If you guys are familiar with the USR or Bob Fischer, you know who Bob Fischer was.

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Bob Fischer was a staple in that meeting.

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And if I could be 10% of Bob Fischer, holy cow, he's a monster.

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Still is a monster.

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My sponsor, I'll call it my sponsor complain about something he's all, let me get this

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straight.

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I'm like, no, don't say that to me.

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Don't.

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And then he would every once in a while say, well, what would Bob Fischer do?

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I'm like, that is hurtful, sir.

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It's hurtful.

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Say that to me.

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I don't like, but I just followed those men and I did exactly what I was supposed to be

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doing, you know, and got myself a little lady, got myself a wife now and who I take for granted

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more than I should.

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And it's a shame because like I said, for a while there, we opened up our business,

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opened up a business together, which I do not recommend.

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And we closed a business, which I highly recommend us being who we are.

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She's an alcoholic also.

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But I got myself a wife.

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I got myself a little lady and trying to have a kid, you know, taking a second or two, you

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know, finally, finally.

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And December, 2018, she's five months pregnant and there's a problem.

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So we lost that child.

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That would have been my son.

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It was a week before Christmas, you know, I was nine years sober and her sponsor, he

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asked me, he's like, Hey, you want to go speak at a meeting?

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I'm like, I don't even know what's going on.

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And I can reflect on it now that the real miracle about all that was that the last thing

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I even was thinking of was drinking.

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Okay.

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My first thought was like, I need an adult.

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Somebody help me.

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I don't know what I'm doing.

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And my sponsor said to me, he's like, at the end of the day, be proud of the day you had

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and be proud of putting your head on the pillow.

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Okay.

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I don't know what that means.

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But okay.

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I understand that for whatever strange reason.

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I get it.

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All right.

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So I want to put my head down today and go, I did, I did well today, you know, because

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whatever I'm going through, I cannot even imagine what I'm going through.

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I can't imagine what I'm going through.

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I can't imagine what I'm going through.

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I can't imagine what I'm going through.

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I can't even imagine.

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It's just one of those things, you know, we're promised sobriety and we participate in life.

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These things happen.

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It's up and down.

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It's left and right.

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Nobody said it'd be easy.

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But what they did say was that we're going to help you get tools in order to deal with

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these things like this.

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So I want to put my head down today and go, I did well today.

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You know, because whatever I'm going through, I cannot even imagine what my wife was going

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through.

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I cannot even imagine.

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It's just one of those things, you know, we're promised sobriety and we participate

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in life.

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These things happen.

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It's up and down.

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It's left and right.

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Nobody said it'd be easy.

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But what they did say was that we're going to help you get tools in order to deal with

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these things like a man, like a human being, like somebody to be respected.

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You know, you know, and when the storm was going, they put my feet on the ground.

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I'm like, not today.

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You're not blowing me around.

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I'll be back here tomorrow and I don't care how long it's going to take, but we're going

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to ride this out.

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And, um, yeah, we lost that child and we opened up a business.

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We put all our efforts into it.

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We put all our efforts into it.

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We put all our efforts into it.

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We put all our efforts into it.

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We put all our efforts into it.

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We put all our efforts into it.

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And, um, decided that alcoholics and non-profits was not necessarily the most important thing

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right now because we're trying to build something.

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And I think within that seven years, I think I was on the verge of divorce three times.

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A lot of pressure.

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You're that pressure cooker and I'm a little kicker.

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I'm a little kicker.

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I'm like, you know what?

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Let's put some pressure on these kids.

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Let's get out of here.

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Let's get out of here.

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You know, and one of the things that we learned is that if, you know, if they put their life

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at risk, that's going to be the worst thing ever.

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Because I've been with them for a long time.

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we opened up a business we put all our efforts into that and decided that Alcoholics Anonymous

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was not necessarily the most important thing right now because we're trying to build something

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and I think within that seven years I think I was on the verge of divorce three times a lot

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of pressure you're that pressure cooker and I'm a little stubborn I'm a little self-righteous but I

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stopped doing the things that I should have been doing right I stopped going to meetings I stopped

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reading the big book stopped being a service thinking about me all the time and I don't need

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to drink to ruin my life I can do it pretty well without keeping in contact I was calling my

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sponsor and I was doing the things and I was around I wasn't in the middle I was around and

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you know what happens to people who stay around don't stay around for very long you know but

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during that time um we had a we had a little girl because God has a sense of humor so we had a

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little girl she'll be four in July and she oh oh like that that ruins you that softens you so

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quickly

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you can't even understand I have all the great intentions of saying no like no I'm going to be

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disciplined and not that falls right out no because that's my little girl right there and

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I got to spoil the hell out of her I have to you know but she forces me to be a better human being

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she forces me to be a better human being we had a five-year anniversary party for our business we

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owned a gym five-year anniversary party and in our location every once in a while we have somebody

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you know sleeping outside because they have no place to go sleeping by the dumpster my wife's

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like oh we should give them the extra food we had left over and I'm like no they're like feral cats

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once you feed one of them the rest of them can't get rid of them and uh putting my baby in the back

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of the car told my wife like hey just keep your eyes out there's a gentleman sleeping eight feet

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away and he's kind of restless she's like daddy what's wrong with him and I'm like oh oh monkey

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he's just getting comfortable he's just trying to sleep she looks at me she's like maybe he just

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misses his mommy oh why did you say that every time I see somebody now sleeping on the street

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I'm like maybe they just miss their mom you know it just you just but those little things you go

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yeah yeah I'm terrible I get it I get it thank you for reminding me how to be a better human being

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but you know Ryan and I uh we uh rediscovered each other maybe about three or four months ago

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both of us going like we need to be better people don't we so like I said I get a phone call every

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morning regardless if I want it or not from Ryan Foley lighting my world on fire but it it's it's

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not it's the music it's the music of it you know I mean I I like oh yeah that's right that's right

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this is where I need to be and these are the people I need to be talking to and this is the

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life that I need to lead and this is who I need to this is what I need to prioritize these are

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things that I need to focus on you know and not everybody makes it back into the rooms and I have

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too much way entirely too much I have a home I haven't missed a meal since I've been sober

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clean clothes I take my blessings and shift them over into the burden pile as opposed to reminding

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myself that I wanted these burdens and maybe you should count your blessings stupid because

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there's somebody sleeping on the road who just misses his mother you know my wife lost her mother

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six months ago I come home she's crying every once in a while she's like yeah this is the first time

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I did xyz without calling my mom you know my dad and I um have not seen eye to eye in the last

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couple years um

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my part in it is probably haven't been the best son in the world um you know and it's it's been

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a challenge to say the least and I would talk to my sponsor about it and kind of pining you know

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why does my father love me just being overly dramatic but he's just like man you gotta mimic

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the behavior you want so when you leave your parents house give your dad a hug and a kiss

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and say I love you and walk out what's the problem you know because those are the things that I can

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control those are the little thing I can't control anything else but what I can is control my

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behavior and my reactions and how I do things

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right I can do those things okay I can do that you know regardless of how a situation might be

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with my family or like that I can okay I can be that person you know um and it's just those little

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reminders that I forgot about that the blessings of Alcoholics Anonymous had given me you know

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that I just took for granted once again I took all my blessings pushed them to the side and said

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I'm going to take control of this I got this figured out going crazy losing my mind because

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I'm just uncomfortable because I forgot to do the things that I should be doing and

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I was really frustrated I'm not going to go to meetings every once in a while and being the

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spiritual guidance of everybody it's not a place where I need to be I understand it's 17 years

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sober where I sit in the mix of things but I still need people above me you know the double my time

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look at me going like yeah okay settle down stupid okay that was cute love ya but stop believing your

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own height and that's the blessing of Alcoholics Anonymous and that's the blessings that like I

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said have been thrust upon me against my will just because I chose to push all my chips in and say I'm

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I don't care what they ask me to do I am going to do it because I am done I truly believe you know

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in the deepest of your soul if you are done I have seen people who are 99% in and I have

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buried those people I have buried those people this is the first thing in my life where I went

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I don't care what it is or what you want me to do all in I am all in hell or high water I'm rolling

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with this and it has given me more than I have given it way more than I have given it because

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once again I will find ways to take advantage of little things or finesse the situation that I feel

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benefits me the most as opposed like hey maybe you should think about somebody else for 10 seconds

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out of the day you think you can do that I know it's a long time to think about somebody that's

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a long time to think about somebody else but maybe you should do that because for the first 30 years

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you thought about yourself and that ends you up and ends you up in alcoholics

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anonymous how well did that work out for you you clearly have your life in order because nobody

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really comes in here on a winning streak you know we're not the house in the hills with millions and

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millions of dollars in the cars and everybody loves us you know you know what on a Saturday

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night I'm going to an AA meeting to see what's going on there but those are the things that have

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been given to me and there's everything I learned about alcoholics anonymous in life I learned in

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the first 90 days go to meetings be a service read the big books be a service and think about

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somebody else maybe let's do that last one in there but think about

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somebody else maybe for a second you know I mean and it's just I hear the same thing over and over

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in different versions why because I'm dense and I need to hear it over and over and over again

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to remind myself on how wonderful my life is that I asked for all of this I wanted this life and

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sometimes I'm too stupid to remember those things and it's the men and women in these rooms who

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slap me across the face

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metaphorically who slap me across the face and remind my remind me you asked for this and you

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get this you can go out and die how about that leave that little girl leave your wife go ahead

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and die see how that works out for you it is a blessing to be here it is an honor to be here

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this has it didn't save my life it just gave me a life you know and it's not even mine it's not

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even mine it's God's life and it's just my responsibility to try to do it as best I can

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you know it'd be honest intentions and that's just what I said to my wife I said to my wife

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this is what it is supposed to be doing it's um it's a blessing to be here thank you for having me

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here thank you for coming and listen to my nonsense for the last 35 minutes

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the chaos in my brain but it's a blessing to be here thank you very much

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Thank you

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Thank you

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That was really good

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Very good

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Bill, glad I wasn't one of your girlfriends

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No